Dave Owen wrote 01/05/2012 09:56 PM eating eggs #352861 - 01/05/2012 09:56 PM
Dave Owen Webboard User Reg: 03-17-2011 Posts: 381 Loc: Alberta Canada Offline	my wife started working on an organic farm yesterday, today she came home with 6 dozen cracked eggs, not bad cracks, but they can't be sold. She figures that she could get that many each day of course they will get a few raw ones, and because they are discards I wouldn't feel bad feeding lots of raw yolk how much yolks a day would be ok without unbalancing their diet? how many cooked eggs a day every day can a dog get ? would 20% be pushing it? I was thinking if not fed as part of a boney meal, and mixed more with meat, I would leave half the shells ground
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Charlie Snyder wrote 01/06/2012 09:19 AM Re: eating eggs [Re: Dave Owen ] #352872 - 01/06/2012 09:19 AM
Charlie Snyder Webboard User Reg: 08-02-2001 Posts: 999 Loc: Offline	If the eggs are cooked, the concerns about biotin deficiencies go away. Since the eggs are cracked, cooking is a good preventative measure anyway.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 01/06/2012 10:27 AM Re: eating eggs [Re: Dave Owen ] #352873 - 01/06/2012 10:27 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Dave Owen I was thinking if not fed as part of a boney meal, and mixed more with meat, I would leave half the shells ground Charlie is of course correct. But I don't understand "leave half the shells ground." If you are using them to replace part of the muscle meat (the boneless meat), and still giving RMBs, then no shells needed. If cooked eggs were ever most of the meal, then 1/2 teaspoon of dried, ground, shell powder would cover 9 large eggs. I recommend that you leave out a few yolks at first ... some dogs will get diarrhea if suddenly given all the yolks of, say, 3-4 eggs.
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Dave Owen wrote 01/06/2012 01:46 PM Re: eating eggs [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #352882 - 01/06/2012 01:46 PM
Dave Owen Webboard User Reg: 03-17-2011 Posts: 381 Loc: Alberta Canada Offline	ok, that is what I couldn't find "If cooked eggs were ever most of the meal, then 1/2 teaspoon of dried, ground, shell powder would cover 9 large eggs." what I ment with the shell thing was to say on 4 eggs, put the shells of 2 in, I'm glad that got clarified I'm really happy to know I should cook cause of the cracks, its a food source I really want to utalize as its free Unlike a post written earlier, I apprecaite the advice here even when I don't want to hear it Thanks
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Connie Sutherland wrote 01/06/2012 03:16 PM Re: eating eggs [Re: Dave Owen ] #352884 - 01/06/2012 03:16 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	what I ment with the shell thing was to say on 4 eggs, put the shells of 2 in, I'm glad that got clarified Right ... that would be WAY too much calcium for a regular thing. I'm really happy to know I should cook cause of the cracks, its a food source I really want to utalize as its free That's not the primary reason .... you understood that, right? It's this: If the eggs are cooked, the concerns about biotin deficiencies go away. The old belief that the yolk covered the loss of biotin from the avidin in raw white has now been challenged. There are detailed threads on here about it, probably most easily found using avidin as your search term. I'm with you about finding ways to use good free protein food.
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Dave Owen wrote 01/06/2012 03:28 PM Re: eating eggs [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #352885 - 01/06/2012 03:28 PM
Dave Owen Webboard User Reg: 03-17-2011 Posts: 381 Loc: Alberta Canada Offline	I did read that about biotin, and the most raw eggs I've given is two a week so aside from the biotin issue, is it safe for them to get raw cracked eggs, the skin inside the shell is intact, and the cracks on some are barley noticible. I thought the saminella thing was no problem for their guts to deal with
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Connie Sutherland wrote 01/06/2012 05:24 PM Re: eating eggs [Re: Dave Owen ] #352891 - 01/06/2012 05:24 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Dave Owen ... I thought the saminella thing was no problem for their guts to deal with I'm pretty sure you didn't read that here. Food-borne pathogens aren't a non-concern. Dogs can be sickened from salmonella and E. coli, etc. But, as scavengers, they have evolved good mechanisms against it: very caustic stomach acid and a short fast trip from one end of the G.I. system to the other (as opposed to ours, that allows lots of opportunity for the colonizing of pathogens). These mechanisms are what we are trying not to screw around with when we avoid slowing raw by mixing it with long-digesting kibble and when we avoid keeping a dog on raw at the same time that he is on antacid meds. If I had no idea at all of how long it had been since an egg was cracked and whether it had been un-refrigerated for that time, I wouldn't feed it raw. JMO!
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Tresa Hendrix wrote 01/06/2012 05:54 PM Re: eating eggs [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #352895 - 01/06/2012 05:54 PM
Tresa Hendrix Webboard User Reg: 05-08-2008 Posts: 1473 Loc: Alaska Offline	Ditto I eat a raw egg almost everyday with raw whey in almond milk. BUT I never eat it: if cracked, not very firm, from the grocery store...never with any carbs or sugar. If the egg white is slightly less firm I just eat the yolk or not. I do feed Logan the cracked ones but not from the store. I don't let them sit in the refrigerator either. I think its best to feed more egg yolk than white but don't know what ratio is required. Eggs are occasional for Logan so I don't worry about the biotin/advin really. Read down to "New Egg White Recommendations" http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2005/02/09/raw-eggs.aspx A tired dog is a good dog, a trained dog is a better dog.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 01/06/2012 06:20 PM Re: eating eggs [Re: Tresa Hendrix ] #352898 - 01/06/2012 06:20 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Tresa Hendrix .... Eggs are occasional for Logan so I don't worry about the biotin/advin really. Read down to "New Egg White Recommendations" http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2005/02/09/raw-eggs.aspx This partial quote from that link pretty much sums up my own experience with thinking one thing for years and then actually researching the numbers and finding out how wrong it was: QUOTE: One of my raw food mentors convinced me that there was more than enough biotin in raw egg yolks to compensate for this problem, and I revised my previous recommendation to say that eating whole raw eggs would not pose a problem. This idea made sense to me as many wild animals consume raw eggs with no apparent problems. However, recently a subscriber, Dr. Sharma, PhD, who is a biochemist with Bayer, contacted me about this issue. His investigation into the matter revealed that there is not enough biotin in an egg yolk to bind to all the avidin present in the raw whites. He found that 5.7 grams of biotin are required to neutralize all the avidin found in the raw whites of an average-sized egg. There are only about 25 micrograms -- or 25 millionths of a gram -- of biotin in an average egg yolk. This is obviously not nearly enough to do the job. For this very reason, controlled diets of only raw egg whites lead to severe biotin deficiency. END This is all a non-issue if the eggs are cooked, of course. Then, care with not giving all (or even close to all) the shell to a dog becomes pretty much the only concern when adding eggs to a dog's diet. (Well, there's the more minor factor of the fat possibly triggering diarrhea in a dog not used to yolks and suddenly fed a few whole eggs at once. That's solved by omitting every other yolk until you see what the poops do.) Eggs are good food for dogs if these pointers are observed and if, to quote Mary Straus, "variety is maintained."
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Dave Owen wrote 01/07/2012 09:55 AM Re: eating eggs [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #352928 - 01/07/2012 09:55 AM
Dave Owen Webboard User Reg: 03-17-2011 Posts: 381 Loc: Alberta Canada Offline	"I'm pretty sure you didn't read that here." no it was someplace else thats a great link Tresa thanks the eggs are collected daily and sit in a walk in cooler, depending on scedules I think they are all refridgerated within 12 hrs of laying?? but ya, cooking is cheep insurance
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