Deb Collier wrote 01/13/2012 01:15 PM Aussie coat color ?? #353501 - 01/13/2012 01:15 PM
Deb Collier Webboard User Reg: 05-06-2008 Posts: 216 Loc: Texas Offline	Aussie Pups This ad is on our local CL. Which pup does not meet breed standards? I don't know enough about coat color genetics and I'd like to know. BOGIE Aussie/Heeler Cross
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Kristin Mortensen wrote 01/13/2012 01:43 PM Re: Aussie coat color ?? [Re: Deb Collier ] #353506 - 01/13/2012 01:43 PM
Kristin Mortensen Webboard User Reg: 10-10-2006 Posts: 223 Loc: UT Offline	I have no idea! They all look like pretty standard colors to me. I can only think of two things (in order of probability): 1. They already culled that puppy so they can keep it secret (I have to assume that is why all of the puppies are being neutered before leaving?) or 2. maybe one of the puppies was born w/o tan markings. It is definitely within the standard, but not seen a lot of in show circles. I am not an expert by any mean tho. They seem like very conscientious (perhaps even paranoid) breeders. Or at least much more so than normally frequent craigslist. If you don't mind the pediatric neuter that could be a really awesome deal on a puppy. The dog in my sig pic is an off-colored Aussie (mix?) Edited by Kristin Mortensen (01/13/2012 01:43 PM) Edit reason: punctuation
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Deb Collier wrote 01/13/2012 01:47 PM Re: Aussie coat color ?? [Re: Kristin Mortensen ] #353509 - 01/13/2012 01:47 PM
Deb Collier Webboard User Reg: 05-06-2008 Posts: 216 Loc: Texas Offline	PPL on another forum suggested it *might* be the red tri with the white body splash, since that's an undesirable trait. However I would have thought this was just a 'mis-marking' not something that would taint the entire litter. BOGIE Aussie/Heeler Cross
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Mara Jessup wrote 01/13/2012 02:29 PM Re: Aussie coat color ?? [Re: Kristin Mortensen ] #353511 - 01/13/2012 02:29 PM
Mara Jessup Webboard User Reg: 12-28-2005 Posts: 2316 Loc: Offline	The posting has now been flagged for removal...  Quote: Kristin Mortensen They seem like very conscientious (perhaps even paranoid) breeders. Or at least much more so than normally frequent craigslist. If you don't mind the pediatric neuter that could be a really awesome deal on a puppy. With the caveat that I didn't see the listing, I doubt that ANY reputable breeder would put pups on CL. If you've got a good breeding program then you should be able to place the pups. Coat color wouldn't make a difference for a performance dog, so why not look for sport homes? I'd be a bit suspect that there may be something genetically undesirable with the breeding besides the coloring of the pups. Hence Craigslist. This just sounds like a big "oops" happened somewhere... K-9 Knitter
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Deb Collier wrote 01/13/2012 05:10 PM Re: Aussie coat color ?? [Re: Mara Jessup ] #353515 - 01/13/2012 05:10 PM
Deb Collier Webboard User Reg: 05-06-2008 Posts: 216 Loc: Texas Offline	Here is the text: New born last night. Australian Shepherd puppies. (can not go to homes till 10 weeks old as they will be spayed/neutered before leaving) Rehoming fee of $50. This litter of puppies is being rehomed on here due to a puppies color in this litter. It is not standard to Australian Shepherds and looks bad on both parents to have produced it. (this color has no effect on the health, just not in the standard) Mother dogs bio: Red tri in color, correct scissor bite, long tail, amber/amber eyes, 20 inches, 46lbs. DNA CEA, PRA, cataract, hips, MDR1 defect, HD, ED, OCD, patella, and COI--all clear (she has no genetic health problems she can pass along to puppies) She is a German import. Both SV and AKC registered. She is a grand champion in confirmation and has a champion in agility. Has done frisbee and herding for fun. Father dogs bio: Blue Merle pointed, correct scissor bite, long tail, blue/blue eyes, 20.4 inches, 40lbs. Free of all genetic health issues as well. He is AKC registered. Titles in herding and CGC certified. Puppies bio: 1 black tri male 1 red Merle male 1 red tri female 3 blue Merle females 4 red Merle females They have been AKC registered but actual papers will not be turned over unless doing confirmation or AKC organized sport. Copies will be given with each puppy however. All puppies were born with natural long tail and we will not dock for any reason. Puppies will be tested negative for worms and given first 2(of 3) puppy shots needed before going to homes. They will have been vet checked 3 times. Puppies are raised indoors, they will be weened onto a RAW diet, and will be nearly full house trained once leaving. We do the Super Dog program from birth with all puppies. Puppies will be spayed/neutered before leaving unless you will be participating activly in confiration or sport(if sport dog MUST be altered once groth plates set) View puppy pictures at http://www.photobucket.com/lottanseymorepuppies BOGIE Aussie/Heeler Cross
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Mara Jessup wrote 01/13/2012 07:07 PM Re: Aussie coat color ?? [Re: Deb Collier ] #353518 - 01/13/2012 07:07 PM
Mara Jessup Webboard User Reg: 12-28-2005 Posts: 2316 Loc: Offline	Huh. That still seems just plain weird. Almost like they're trying to sweep the litter of pups under the carpet. They're saying that ONE pup isn't up to standard so the whole litter has lost it's value? And they're going to do pediatric spay/neuter but then in the last paragraph they'll forgo that give papers if you're going to show in conformation? And they can't spell conformation... Maybe it's legit, but it just seems a bit weird K-9 Knitter
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Lindsay Janes wrote 01/13/2012 09:09 PM Re: Aussie coat color ?? [Re: Deb Collier ] #353519 - 01/13/2012 09:09 PM
Lindsay Janes Webboard User Reg: 10-24-2005 Posts: 749 Loc: Tucson, Az Offline	I am wondering if this is an accident litter? Do you know who are behind the pedigrees? I wonder why would they want to spay/neuter their puppies young instead of signing a contract? Something isn't right.. "It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"
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Elaine Haynes wrote 01/14/2012 04:19 AM Re: Aussie coat color ?? [Re: Deb Collier ] #353525 - 01/14/2012 04:19 AM
Elaine Haynes Webboard User Reg: 08-16-2005 Posts: 1221 Loc: Offline	Something is definitely amiss. I would run from this unless you just want a pet and don't care if you have papers or if the litter is actually purebred. I would ask for genetic proof of parentage. If they can't or won't supply genetic proof, I'd be tempted to report my suspicions that the litter is not actually purebred and that the sire may not be as listed on the litter registration. Red flags are waving on this one. "A dog wags his tail with his heart." Max Buxbaum
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Tresa Hendrix wrote 01/14/2012 10:35 AM Re: Aussie coat color ?? [Re: Deb Collier ] #353539 - 01/14/2012 10:35 AM
Tresa Hendrix Webboard User Reg: 05-08-2008 Posts: 1473 Loc: Alaska Offline	That is ODD. Maybe mamma got loose and mated with another dog? Too early to tell if any pups are mixed? A tired dog is a good dog, a trained dog is a better dog.
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Deb Collier wrote 01/14/2012 11:25 AM Re: Aussie coat color ?? [Re: Deb Collier ] #353543 - 01/14/2012 11:25 AM
Deb Collier Webboard User Reg: 05-06-2008 Posts: 216 Loc: Texas Offline	Oh no! I'm not interested in yet ANOTHER dog--LOLOL!! I just read the ad and was curious. I even went to the photo album and studied each puppy's picture individually to see if I could figure it out. Maybe they already culled the pup that was so horribly mismarked as to 'taint' the entire lineage. My first thought was they planned this breeding as a top quality litter. Perhaps for a kennel they have. Or they show the Aussies. Anyway, if they advertised them in the 'doggie world' other breeders would KNOW what was wrong and be on those folks like white on rice. By selling through CL or other online ads, they can prevent the other Aussie folks from finding out what's in the sire/dam's lineage that produces such a problem. And they're hoping in future litters this problem doesn't rear it's ugly head so they can sell those pups normally. Strictly my opinion and conjuncture of course. I was just highly curious. BOGIE Aussie/Heeler Cross
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