Em Morrison Webboard User Reg: 02-02-2012
Posts: 25
Loc: MN, US
Offline
So I found a litter of WL Shepherds I'm interested in for schutz and this will be my first dog from a breeder as all the ones I've owned (and currently own) were/are rescues. There is a Sch3 on the sire and breeder is very active in protection/schutzhund/police dog training. Problem is, I noticed a lot of his dogs have roached backs. Why do they want them to look like that??? I've been doing some google searches (and leerburg searches) and it seems like this is a show line thing for sure, so is this pretty uncommon in working dogs? Should I be worried? Even if the sire/dam of my puppy don't have roachy backs (as far as I can tell), is there a chance my puppy could have one with those types of dogs in the lines?
Dennis Jones Webboard User Reg: 06-13-2004
Posts: 3389
Loc: Richmond Va
Offline
IMHO I don't think Von Steve ever intended his dogs to look like that. No one has yet stated a rational scientific reason to breed to it and the only way to stop it is to stop buying dogs that look like that. I've been to two clubs and seen a few patrol dogs and none of them were roached
Em Morrison Webboard User Reg: 02-02-2012
Posts: 25
Loc: MN, US
Offline
I'm almost sad to hear that it doesn't serve any purpose just for the simple reason that this means people are doing this because it "looks good".. Just looking up "roach back german shepherd" in google images/video returned some horrifying results. I saw a GSD at the park a few weeks ago who was moving really goofy and I seriously thought he was lame in some way. Now I see he was moving really similar to some of these dogs in the show videos. Yikes.
I guess I better do some more research before I accidently end up with a little roach backed pup..
Tresa Hendrix Webboard User Reg: 05-08-2008
Posts: 1473
Loc: Alaska
Offline
I would look elsewhere...I wouldn't ever want a roached backed dog. Its one thing if they have a natural arch, like a sighthound. A GSD should have a nice strait back without sloping (but slightly is ok).
A tired dog is a good dog, a trained dog is a better dog.
Em Morrison Webboard User Reg: 02-02-2012
Posts: 25
Loc: MN, US
Offline
Quote: Tresa Hendrix
I would look elsewhere...I wouldn't ever want a roached backed dog. Its one thing if they have a natural arch, like a sighthound. A GSD should have a nice strait back without sloping (but slightly is ok).
That's what I was thinking. I might just have to eat the deposit on the litter. Is it weird that the breeder would have some beautiful straight backed dogs and then some very roached ones as well?
Dennis Jones Webboard User Reg: 06-13-2004
Posts: 3389
Loc: Richmond Va
Offline
Quote: Em Morrison
Quote: Tresa Hendrix
I would look elsewhere...I wouldn't ever want a roached backed dog. Its one thing if they have a natural arch, like a sighthound. A GSD should have a nice strait back without sloping (but slightly is ok).
That's what I was thinking. I might just have to eat the deposit on the litter. Is it weird that the breeder would have some beautiful straight backed dogs and then some very roached ones as well?
same reason you can get Regular or extra crispy at KFC
I prefer a "wild type" rear end -- the hind limbs are where the power is -- you don't want a dog dragging itself around with it's "arms".
Plus it seems all manner of hip, hock, and spine pathology flow from this weird conformation.
The "titles" behind many/most of the show line dogs are a scam!!
I've been to watch two GSD SV Nationals and out of 150-160 dogs there were maybe 5-6 that looked worth a crap in the "protection" phase of the show. I had to go back the second time just to see if what I saw at the first was for real. Unfortunately it was!
Sad when the owners of SchII and SchIII dogs are crossing their fingers and praying that their dog will even engage the helper.
Ivan Balanov had a show line GSD at the WSUV World Schutzhund competition here in 07. I saw that also.
With all his great training abilities the dog was NOT impressive. Worlds apart from the working line dogs in the rest of the competition. Hard to watch a dog go over the meter jump with all that angulation and roached back.
They are two different breeds now and that split started back in the 60s-70s. Much like Irish Setters, Austrailian Shepherds, many of the terriers, and many many other breeds.
When purchasing any product from Leerburg Enterprises, Inc. it is understood
that any and all products sold by Leerburg Enterprises, Inc. are sold in Dunn
County Wisconsin, USA. Any and all legal action taken against Leerburg Enterprises,
Inc. concerning the purchase or use of these products must take place in Dunn
County, Wisconsin. If customers do not agree with this policy they should not
purchase Leerburg Ent. Inc. products.
Dog Training is never without risk of injury. Do not use any of the products
sold by Leerburg Enterprises, Inc. without consulting a local professional.
The training methods shown in the Leerburg Ent. Inc. DVD’s are meant
to be used with a local instructor or trainer. Leerburg Enterprises, Inc. cannot
be held responsible for accidents or injuries to humans and/or animals.
Copyright 2010 Leerburg® Enterprises, Inc. All rights reserved. All photos and content on leerburg.com are part of a registered copyright owned by Leerburg Enterprise, Inc.
By accessing any information within Leerburg.com, you agree to abide by the
Leerburg.com Privacy Policy and Terms of Use.
Roach Back Shepherd..
Top
Re: Roach Back Shepherd..
Previous Topic
Index
Next Topic.jpg)
.jpg)
