Sorry this update is so late but its been a mess here. Ginger didn't deliver till today even tho i coplained to my dr it was taking way to long and i asked for a c-section since he confirmed she was due last week. He kept saying it was ok and normal for a dog to go into pre-labor and stop and start again.

Anyway-

She went into labor last night around 1130 pm and finaly fell asleep around 5 am. at 9 am I brought her back out and let her go pee and tried to feed her but she didnt want any. At around 930 she went into full labor. The first few went ok but it got harder as time went on , the sedond to last was too big and i had to rock her on my tummy durring contractions to get it out. The last one came feet first and got stuck and the head with the placenta under its chin. I tried fluttering her, turning the puppie and gently trying to push it back and nothing was worknig. Then ginger when into one long push and stopped breathing and i had my daughter call the emergency vet. He told me to do all the same things I WAS doing and when gigners eyes rolled back I jsut grabbed the puppied and pulled, it REFUSED to budge. Then the sack broke and i thoguht OMG nooo and the dr said its gonig to die anyway just pull so i DID and i heard something snap and i figured fu** it its allready dead and suck my hand inside ginger reached under its chin grabbed the placenta and pulled it loose then yanked the puppie out. it was allmost 200g, after 20 min of mouth to mouth , cpr, swirling and pinching im happy to say shes still alive tho for how long I dunno since she inhaled fluid in her lungs. I sowre I broke her neck pulling but I guess i didnt.

So the stats are : 7 puppies - all alive

1: 10:56 +P "Severus" Boy 140G
2: 12:13 +p "tatijana" Girl 147G
3: 12:33 +p "Grr" Boy 172G
4: 12:50 +p "Alex" Boy 112G
5: 13:05 +p "Luna" Girl 150G
6: 13:38 +p "fifi" Girl 180G
7: 14:15 +p "lucky" Girl 195G

Thanks for all your help and support and prayers.



Also- weirdly - last litter she didnt want anything to do with them, this time she had them IN my lap litteraly... and if i try and go near her she snaps at me. i assume its a good thing since shes feeding them and taking care fo them but i am concerned that the puppies may need to be supplimented, guess ill cross that bridge when i get there.

That was painful to read, Poor Ginger and puppy. That one's going to need a good chiropractor.

I've never had a mom snap at me with pups so I'm not sure what to do there. I know the first couple days I do everything possible to ensure a stress free environment for the mom.

We whelp and raise pups in the house so this means no visitors. They are in a quiet part of the house with the other dogs, ect having 0 access to them.

I do everything possible to entice mom out of the box every hour or so for a quick walk, making it longer every time. The first couple times mom literally runs outside doing her business as she is running back to the house but they seem to relax a little bit more each time. I think this small amount of exercise helps mom get rid of any junk still in her body and helps her recover faster. I base this on human medicine, post surgery the number one goal for a person is to get out of bed, then a short walk down the hall. I think they had my brother walking just a few days post open heart surgery.

I have found that my moms are very uncomfortable if I attempt to hold a pup up over their heads (the mom's head). Initially all my contact is with the pups while I am sitting down and if my mom shows any uncomfortable reaction at all I will just do a quick pet and move on to the next one. Bear is mind that I do this and have never had a mom growl or snap at me, with you experiencing that kind of behavior I would proceed cautiously, I hope it is just a temporary side effect of a difficult delivery.

Good luck.

I know very little of the breeding/whelping of pugs and if there are any special considerations because of the breed. I do know that with German Shepherds I have learned the hard way to be ruthless about selection of my moms. On top of everything else that I require they have to be one that can breed naturally, have a relatively easy whelping experience and be a good mom. Whelping, care of the pups has a strong genetic component to it, I've seen it too often when whelping daughters of my Annabelle and fully expect to see the same next year or so with her granddaughters. My current mom, Cori, is not from one of my breedings but I had whelped the litter she was born in for another breeder and it was like a flashback.

Just food for thought since you said she was not interested in her last litter.

yea I moved her into a small closet with enough room for food and water and she can get out and move around, shes eaten 2 times since delivery and since I moved her outa the main room shes fine with me being there and checking on them I think she was just annoyed with the last pups delivery and the few minutes of stress there trying to get the puppie breathing and clean out her lungs. Shes sitting happly in the box with the puppies and caring for them like a good mommie. The last litter she had was a week early (probabl effect from a water puppie that was 300g) and she had them alone and had no idea what she was doing. So when we got home it was chaos and running to the vet to save the others, after that she wanted nothing to do with them but that seems to be an extream difference with this litter. Im very happy with her right now. I have called my vet and asked if theres a surrogate that some of the puppies can be placed with INCASE. Thers another mom but its a maltiese and not a pug so im not sure. I dont see a problem happening but its nice to have all your ducks in a row in advance then wait for disaster to happen

Oh my, that delivery sounded just awful. Possible broken neck on pup, yanking it out of her. Does it get any worse?

So happy to hear that mom and pups are doing well.

That's good news!

im still comtimplating weather or not to get her fixed. the first litter was bad, this ones ok BUT had I not been here ( and i havent let her out of mysight in the last 2 weeks) theyd all be dead again. The water sacks are SOOO thick that even I had difficulty breaking them and she didnt bother. I realise its not a bad genetic things however i am concerned for her safty in the future. She went from 5k to 13.8K and the average * happy* puppie size is around 120-140g so hers were again on the heavy size and both litters were huge each having 7 puppies. My pugs are "an examplar of the perfect pug" as listed by my certification and as such is the only way i would breed them, however in the end the health of my dogs is more important to me that any certification or monies I can get from selling them. (Ill be keeping lucky and shes getting fixed since I have no idea what dmg was done to her durring delivery).. you guys have any views/ ideas on that?

What causes them to be so big? It happens in human and I tend to stay up on health stuff and it seems that diet cause babies to be born fatter and fatter these days.

I would have that pup seen by a chiropractor asap...my chiropractor does pets and people...she does babies all the time because of the damage done during birth.

In dogs, as far as I understand, it's an immune response and can affect one or all of the litter. Parvovirus is a main culprit.

Birth weight is in inherited trait. The size of the dam and sire at birth is inherited:a big baby produces big babies. The other factor is the weight and fat cover of the dam. Any sort of extra weight in the pelvis reduces birthing efficiency. A third factor is the number of pups in the total litter, and the # per horn. Sometimes there will be a single pup in one horn and it will become very large.
Pugs and bulldogs etc. also have the round head which is a bad deal for delivery.
An italian greyhound, for example, has an easier time whelping. The shape of the pelvic bones ( wide opening or narrow) of the dam contributes too. Pugs have relatively narrow
hind ends. Many are delivered by C-section.
Congrats on success!