Feeding new puppy
#370174 - 12/05/2012 09:44 AM |
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Need some advice feeding our new puppy. The breeder started her on earthborn puppy but would we like to switch over to raw. The other dogs are already eating raw but were started as adults.
Need links or advice.
Ryder has been vaccinated for distemper,hepatitis, lepto,and influenza up to twelve weeks. I know rabies needs to be done when she gets older but she is now due for boosters. Need links or advice.
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Re: Feeding new puppy
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#370177 - 12/05/2012 09:59 AM |
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Congrats on your new puppy! I'm sure you'll get lots of replies from folks on the board with experience in both raw feeding of pups and vaccination protocols.
But just wanted to let you know I tried cutting and pasting the link you provided and it says it's an invalid address. I would love to see pics!
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Re: Feeding new puppy
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Need some advice feeding our new puppy. The breeder started her on earthborn puppy but would we like to switch over to raw. The other dogs are already eating raw but were started as adults.
Need links or advice.
Ryder has been vaccinated for distemper,hepatitis, lepto,and influenza up to twelve weeks. I know rabies needs to be done when she gets older but she is now due for boosters. Need links or advice.
Congrats!
We need a new picture link.
First, have you ever raw-fed a growing puppy?
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Re: Feeding new puppy
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#370179 - 12/05/2012 10:55 AM |
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Do I need photo bucket to link a picture? Never fed a puppy raw.
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Re: Feeding new puppy (raw)
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#370181 - 12/05/2012 11:13 AM |
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Photobucket is probably the easiest (and free).
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Re: Feeding new puppy (raw)
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#370182 - 12/05/2012 11:18 AM |
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Have you considered an appropriate THK (such as Embark), maybe with chicken backs, as a bridge to raw? I ask this because feeding raw to a growing puppy is more precise than feeding adults, and this would give you a bit of time to read up.
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Re: Feeding new puppy
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#370183 - 12/05/2012 11:26 AM |
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Congrats on the new pup Cheryl! Pictures please!
I think the HK would be a great bridge for a new pup with chicken backs to start with. Or you could go with one of the commercial raw foods, until you have figured out how to feed raw to the pup.
There are lots of good companies to check out.
Vital Essentials, Bravo, Nature's Variety, Stella and Chewy's, Tuckers... They make it easy, and no worries about the pup getting everything it needs.
add in some salmon or krill oil, and Vit E, and a good probiotic and you are set to start!
Joyce Salazar
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Re: Feeding new puppy
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#370185 - 12/05/2012 11:41 AM |
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Also, here is some beginning reading:
http://leerburg.com/webboard/thread.php?topic_id=31847#355103
http://leerburg.com/webboard/thread.php?topic_id=31806&page=1
http://leerburg.com/webboard/thread.php?topic_id=30430&page=1
Note this post:
Hi Kelsie! Welcome to Leerburg. Congrats on your puppy and on choosing to feed raw.
I think you're on the right track. But I would suggest a more consistent approach to feeding edible bones. A properly balanced raw diet isn't just a "meat" diet with occasional bones...bones are just as important as the meat. Especially for a growing puppy that needs the minerals to grow bones and teeth.
The trick with such a tiny puppy is to find bones that she can completely consume. Is she actually eating the bones in the chicken quarters, or just gnawing the meat off? The bone-in split breasts I'm sure she can eat. An even better idea, in my opinion, would be to find chicken backs or necks. Those are nice soft bones that almost any size dog can handle.
For the sake of easy math, let's assume your pup will grow to be a 12-pound adult. Puppies eat (about) 3% of their ideal adult weight in food per day. For your little one, that's (about) 6 ounces of food a day.
While it's not critical that you weigh every meal, that should give you an idea of how much she should be eating each day--probably divided up over 2 or 3 meals each day. So each meal is pretty small.
Some people will feed a "bony" meal, then follow it with a "meat" meal. Others try to feed a balance of meat and bone in each meal. There's no single right way to do this...but I don't think that 3 meals a week that include bone is enough. Especially if she's not crunching and consuming the bones.
(and not that you are, but a completely boneless raw diet is a nutritional disaster, especially for a puppy.)
Fish is another food that has edible bone. Sardines, mackerel (even canned varieties of these fish have bones in them) are easy to find. With a small puppy (that will grow up to be a small dog) your challenge will be finding bones she can totally consume, not just play with. Cornish hens (which are just juvenile chickens) are another idea. Perhaps rabbit. Anyway, work on the "bony" meals.
The "meat" part's easy. Beef, pork, turkey--anything without bones will fill out the rest of the meal. Small amounts of organ meat (liver, kidney, etc.) just as you are doing...eventually up to 10% of the diet. But go easy on organs in any one meal. Sounds like she's tolerating new foods well, though, so that's great--and you're lucky!
the pumpkin, carrots, eggs are all great. An occasional raw egg is good , but lightly cooked might be even better. You can consider eggs like "meat" when you are mentally weighing the meal. Other veggie things can be tossed in occasionally too--especially greens or berries. But any vegetable-based foods need to be either cooked, frozen, or pureed first. Raw veggies can't be digested by dogs---they come out just about like they went in. There's no harm in it, but they aren't getting any nutrition out of raw veggies.
Yogurt is another great addition to the diet. Plain unflavored, unsweetened yogurt. For her size, just a couple of teaspoons would be plenty.
Hopefully this rambling helps. Keep asking questions. We love to help new raw feeders!
eta: the best indication of when you've got the "right" balance of meat and bone is the quality of her poop. It should be quite firm and log-shaped, but not so firm that it is crumbly or that she has to strain to produce it. Too firm means too much bone. Too soft means (among other things) not enough bone. Soft poop can also be caused by overfeeding.
I realize that post is about a tiny breed, but there is important info in it anyway.
http://leerburg.com/webboard/thread.php?topic_id=28960#316085
http://leerburg.com/webboard/thread.php?topic_id=20564&page=1#208043
But if you decide to go full-on raw, please let us guide you through the first meals, because folks new to feeding raw to pups sometimes try to give all the components at once in the first days, rather than adding them one at a time, and also often over-feed at first. Avoiding diarrhea from either of these is really important.
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#370186 - 12/05/2012 11:44 AM |
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I used Natures Variety patties until about 6mos old I think, and then THK in the way Connie mentioned Cheryl. With one puppy, the cost isnt too bad. I know lots of people just go ahead and feed raw with no problems, I'm just a little lazy and worry about it with a puppy.
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