Troubles at fetching and playing
#379187 - 06/10/2013 08:10 PM |
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When i throw the ball or toy she rans for it, but inested of getting back to you she rans away,drops on the ground and start to chew the toy. If you go for it she jumps and ran away. And if you start to play with another toy, ignoring her, she doesnt care and keesp on chewing the toy she has. Ive benn like 20 minutes playing to get her attention before i give up and grab both toys and leave.
Any recomendations would be awesome, ill try and video her to let you guys watch.
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Re: Troubles at fetching and playing
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#379188 - 06/10/2013 08:15 PM |
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Is this the adult GSD?
Have you ever taught a dog to fetch/retrieve?
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#379189 - 06/10/2013 08:35 PM |
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If you tease her with the other toy will she come back?
How about if you throw a lower value toy and then entice her back with her absolute favorite?
You can teach her two ball if she'll come back to you for a higher value toy that she's getting teased with.
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#379190 - 06/10/2013 09:25 PM |
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Shes not very much into toys i have to tease a lot to get her to go for the toy, yes shes de GSD mix,she already knows how to fetch but 1 time shell bring the toy to my hand, but the rest of the time i need to take it from her, i´ve tryied to change the toy for food but if she know i have food she goes for the toy bring back but drop it 3 foot away from me and come the way back without the toy, i´ve tryed to throw the toy near me and see if she brings but again if i have food she just go get it but drop it as soon as shes coming back.
My pitbull fetch like wonders and i though both of them the same way,she had same trouble but she will drop the first toy to get the one that i have..... Dont have a clue why my sookie wont...
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#379191 - 06/10/2013 10:25 PM |
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Using marker/clicker training....Backchaining is the way to do it for a dog that is not a natural retriever.
There are lots of articles you can google about backchaining the retrieve.
Maybe Connie has some lincs saved....I don't have them saved on this computer.
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#379195 - 06/10/2013 10:54 PM |
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Using marker/clicker training....Backchaining is the way to do it for a dog that is not a natural retriever.
There are lots of articles you can google about backchaining the retrieve.
Maybe Connie has some lincs saved....I don't have them saved on this computer.
I train with clicker/yes and treats but with the food its just worse, she ignores de toy or go for it but spit it for the treat, as i say on the other post i did back chain to get the pitbull to retrieve, but with sookie i can go from grab from my hand to put on my hand to grab from floor(and all the steps in between) but if i put the toy too far she goes for it, grab it, turn around and spit the toy. Or the problem that cost me its that if i try to call her to me or play with another toy (wihout food because of the problems i told beforehand) she chews the toy she have and just ignore me or look at me as she chews
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#379197 - 06/10/2013 11:53 PM |
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well for starters , get her on a line . . .
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#379205 - 06/11/2013 10:10 AM |
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Start with a long line like Ian said. Then build up her drive for the toy by teasing her just to where she gets into it and when she is very into it toss it. If she isn't ball crazy, try a tug instead.
So, when you toss the toy and she gets it call her, give a few light tugs on the line show her the other toy and let her have it when she gets to you.
If she starts dropping it when she sees the second toy and runs to you....then call her without showing it and if when she drops it...just kind of say nope get it and grab the first one and tease her and praise when she gets it, play tug with her with it....let her know you want o her to actually bring the first one back before she gets the second one.
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#379206 - 06/11/2013 10:13 AM |
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Using marker/clicker training....Backchaining is the way to do it for a dog that is not a natural retriever.
There are lots of articles you can google about backchaining the retrieve.
Maybe Connie has some lincs saved....I don't have them saved on this computer.
I train with clicker/yes and treats but with the food its just worse, she ignores de toy or go for it but spit it for the treat, as i say on the other post i did back chain to get the pitbull to retrieve, but with sookie i can go from grab from my hand to put on my hand to grab from floor(and all the steps in between) but if i put the toy too far she goes for it, grab it, turn around and spit the toy. Or the problem that cost me its that if i try to call her to me or play with another toy (wihout food because of the problems i told beforehand) she chews the toy she have and just ignore me or look at me as she chews
To backchain a simple fetch (meaning no "finish" position at the end .... just give me the toy), in this situation where it's already tainted, I might start with the release into my hand. (If I ever planned on a formal retrieve, this is not it.)
So in the house, watching TV, etc., and outside, even with me in a lawn chair, removing for now all connection with the tainted "chase me" thing, no throwing involved, no running, dog already exercised but still ready to learn something , I'd be teaching the release into my hand. I doubt that I would throw the item again for the dog until I did this. A new day!
I'd reward for the release into my hand. I'd name it when I liked it. I'd proof it for venue. I'd proof it for gradually-increasing distraction.
Only then would I toss the item, and it would start indoors, close up. I'd use my new command then.
I'd gradually move farther away and then gradually move outdoors.
As Ian said, I could use a long line too, but for me, I would still begin with a solid release into my hand.
There are other ways to do this; this is just one. But I like backchaining.
And again, of course, this is not backchaining for a formal retrieve with a finish.
But there's another question that I see others have seen, too. How is this dog's recall?
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#379208 - 06/11/2013 10:27 AM |
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Start with a long line like Ian said. Then build up her drive for the toy by teasing her just to where she gets into it and when she is very into it toss it. If she isn't ball crazy, try a tug instead.
So, when you toss the toy and she gets it call her, give a few light tugs on the line show her the other toy and let her have it when she gets to you.
If she starts dropping it when she sees the second toy and runs to you....then call her without showing it and if when she drops it...just kind of say nope get it and grab the first one and tease her and praise when she gets it, play tug with her with it....let her know you want o her to actually bring the first one back before she gets the second one.
Yes, another good repair! (Posted while I was typing ....)
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