There are 4 males and 5 females which were all I.D. ed as males by my trusty 2nd in command , clearly mistaking their umbilical chords for some thing else.
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005
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"There are 4 males and 5 females which were all I.D. ed as males by my trusty 2nd in command , clearly mistaking their umbilical chords for some thing else."
We always did all this work without anaesthesia. I'm sure it's cruel, but pups stop whimpering really fast and seem to forget about it very, very soon.
I was told that a mammal has "natural pain killer" on board for the birth process which remains on board for 2-3 days. I know you can put an ear tag in a newborn calf and they hardly move their head. Lambs can be banded (castrated with a rubber band) in this time period and there is minimal reaction.
If you let these things go until a week of age there is a big difference in the amount of pain the animal seems to experience.
I have asked around with 4 or 5 vets so far and all of them say only after 6 days. The reason they give is that it becomes difficult for them to handle and suture if they are too small. Seems weird.
Finally contacted a Vet Dr.Archibald David. He is the retired Dean of my City's Veterinary college and a very senior person. He said it can be done from 3 - 6 days , but he prefers at least 6 days too.
We always did all this work without anaesthesia. I'm sure it's cruel, but pups stop whimpering really fast and seem to forget about it very, very soon.
I was told that a mammal has "natural pain killer" on board for the birth process which remains on board for 2-3 days. I know you can put an ear tag in a newborn calf and they hardly move their head. Lambs can be banded (castrated with a rubber band) in this time period and there is minimal reaction.
If you let these things go until a week of age there is a big difference in the amount of pain the animal seems to experience.
I've seen both the banding and ear tags done at my grandfather's farm when I was a kid. I never recall seeing any stress reactions. Fact is the calves and lambs see to be happily nursing in a matter of mins. Mom always seemed more worried about checking out the younguns then the younguns were about themselves.
Of course it was super traumatic for a 10-12 yr old boy to watch the banding and listen to the how and what.
tracey holden Webboard User Reg: 07-17-2010
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I can't watch the vids Ram, because of my glacially slow internet connection, but congrats on the pups, I bet you are chuffed to bits with your new brood
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