Lisa skinner Webboard User Reg: 03-11-2010
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Ok, I have what may be a dumb question. I was watching youtube videos on training etc and stumbled across this one. Is it normal for a pup to vocalize so much? He sounds stressed to my (extremely novice) ears.
Duane Hull Webboard User Reg: 09-23-2011
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That pup is not overly stressed. Note the wagging tail and enthusiasm. No signs of avoidance whatsoever. He is leaking drive, and that almost always changes as they mature.
Most modern trainers wouldn't be doing such intense immersion work with a very young pup, but I don't see anything particularly disturbing. It does seem that the dog is about to learn the old-school method of extraction.
Many trainers feel that being vocal on the bite is a sign of stress. I don't think it's that simple. Anticipation of reward, over the top drive are just two reasons "I" believe can create the noisy ones.
My younger GSD is so happy all the time he borders on being simple minded. He's always whining and squealing when he wants me to play. Even when I give him a release he screams with excitement and runs around like the Tazmanian Devil.
He is constantly trying to shove his kong in my hands and squealing the whole time.
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Quote: Bob Scott
Many trainers feel that being vocal on the bite is a sign of stress. I don't think it's that simple. Anticipation of reward, over the top drive are just two reasons "I" believe can create the noisy ones.
My younger GSD is so happy all the time he borders on being simple minded. He's always whining and squealing when he wants me to play. Even when I give him a release he screams with excitement and runs around like the Tazmanian Devil.
He is constantly trying to shove his kong in my hands and squealing the whole time.
I love your description. lol
Thank you for making it make sense for me. I am now picturing squealing toddlers in a playground chasing each other.
I'm guessing there's a chance a dog like that is not even aware he's whining, correct?
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Agreed. One of the hardest parts about getting control of it is that you don't really want to come down on such a young puppy. I'm not sure I like that degree of flooding (immersion, or whatever you want to call it) at such a young age, but I don't know if that would stem the leaking.
ETA: If the dog is going to be doing strictly extractions, the trainers and handlers might not even acknowledge the leaking.
Edited by Duane Hull (05/18/2014 01:06 PM)
Edit reason: eta
Anne Jones Webboard User Reg: 04-29-2004
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My crazy over the top drive female will vibrate her whole body & her jaw will quiver (& sometimes whine a bit) when asked to cap her drive when she is all spun up. She is so intense & focused but has so much drive that it does leak...but has never effected her performance on the field.
She has always been a very vocal dog. She can be a real screamer when spun up. My fellow trainers always knew we were coming from a mile away....you could here her screaming in the truck way before we got to the training field.
My female looked & sounded just like that pup when she was young. It is not a stress sign in my dog, but it may be in some. I think that you have to look at the whole picture & know the individual dog to determine if stress enters the picture.
Some dogs are like kids that squeal when they get excited. Are they stressed because they do that?
Lisa skinner Webboard User Reg: 03-11-2010
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This is interesting. I just always 'assumed' (hate that word) that it was a stress thing. But, then, I've never really had super drivy dogs so maybe it's not something I've experienced.
I really need to get out more and learn some things.
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