 dog low crawling?
#393419 - 09/06/2014 06:19 PM |
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Quick question....my gsd is 9 months old now. For awhile i had issues with him barking and getting overly excited when encountering another dog on a walk. The past 2 weeks hes been real good about it and all i done was kept talking to him as we passed another dog. A few days ago i noticed a change in behavior...now when he encounters a dog coming toward us, he dont bark growl or pull, but lowers himself like a cat would, his ears stright up and total eye contact as he aproachs. Once he even sorta squated on his belly still and attentive. Is this normal? He is not afraid im sure of that. Any imput would be appreciated....thanx
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#393420 - 09/06/2014 07:03 PM |
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In my non-professional opinion it sounds like submission. Where will he carry his tail while doing this? Up high, straight out, or low\ tucked? If not submission, it may also be a weird type of play bowing to initiate play with the other dog.
My last idea would be prey drive, as my dog acts exactly the same around cattle. Others will give you a more definitive answer.
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#393421 - 09/06/2014 07:31 PM |
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#393424 - 09/06/2014 07:54 PM |
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That makes sense..gsds are herders. No im possitive its not submissive, this dog never learned fear. His eyes are attentive, tail moving side to side but slower than a excited tail, his rear stands higher than his front as if hes a cat fixin to get a bird. Very stelth like movements and advances. Ears stright up and quite. Its actually really beutiful but ive never seen it before. Hes not dog aggrisive nor afraid...hell he thinks god made other dogs just for him lol.
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#393426 - 09/06/2014 11:04 PM |
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This is a stalking behavior, NOT submission!
I would redirect and or correct as soon as the ears go up or eye contact is made.
The earlier in the process of behaviors you stop this the better success you'll have.
I've done herding with my older GSD and yes, it's wonderful to see when NOT used for the beginnings of a rush on another dog, play of otherwise.
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#393427 - 09/06/2014 11:12 PM |
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Thank you bob...as I said this just started and caught my attention. Would you suggest stiff prong correction as soon as i see him get into position and then divert his attention with brief obedience tactics he knows?
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#393429 - 09/06/2014 11:35 PM |
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IF you understand marker training then just start doing simple obedience commands with him.
Without markers training just try a finger poke in the ribs or a MILD rib tap with your foot.
It's not about giving heavy corrections just nothing more then breaking his concentration.
This is no different then LGD (livestock guarding dog).
Actually fighting with the predator is rare. At eh beginning of the wolf's stalk the LGD often has to do no more then bark. That stops the concentration of the wolf and screw up his whole game.
The further the wolf gets into the behaviors (see, stalk, chase, catch, kill, dissect, eat) the harder it is to stop the wolf. That's what I mean about stop it early in the beginning of the behaviors.
My preference is ALWAYS marker training. I have no problems calling my dogs off rabbits, deer, etc when they are in full chase mode simply because they KNOW response to my commands will gain them reward.
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#393432 - 09/07/2014 12:17 AM |
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In the days before the old duffer couldn't be arsed to bugger about, he used to commando crawl towards a loose dog on the field, I always saw that as a precursor to an attempt to engage the other dog in a game, I had to correct that PDQ as I didn't want him to be a pain in the bum with other dogs, plus it was annoying to me when he played mother deaf, but that was just my interpretation of what he was doing.
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#393434 - 09/07/2014 06:58 AM |
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Thank you all...in any case its a behavior i need to change. Yes I do marker train so that the path. I had to ask...ive never in life seen a dog do that.
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#393453 - 09/08/2014 08:22 AM |
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My English Shepherd does this.
It is stalking behavior, like collie eye, like Bob said. A strange dog who isn't used to your dog will interpret this as pre-aggression.
At our place this behavior leads to dog fights between the hired man's dog and ours, even though the ES does this prior to play ---- the hired guys' dog raises his hackles and if we don't interfere the fight is on.
A dog seems to enjoy doing this stalking type behavior. We yell "quit that, Laddy" whenever we see it.
I'd let my town dog know that this won't be tolerated.
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