I have an otis leerburg male and a pirol female, What type of results do you think I would recieve if I put them two together?

I have heard mixed reviews on Pirol, nice dog but couldn't produce himself.

Not that that helps you much. Why don't you post a link to the pedigree or paste them here for fun?

What is your Otis male like?

I have a 7 month old female...3-2 on Otis. She is unbelievable so far. I'm very excited. Full grips on rag, tug, etc from 8 weeks on....ton of prey...extreme drives. Starting to show some dog aggression but common in those nice working lines. Very dominant female....I like that though.
Ed- you did a great job again....2 for 2...not bad <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
Also if anyone has a Otis son that is hardcore and may talk about selling( yea right )...PM me.

Pat

I have an 8mth old Otis grandson (Sire was from Otis X Edi litter). I got him for Fire Rescue and so far he seems to be doing very well. There were times in the past when I wondered if I got too much dog for me to handle. He was built like a little Sherman tank and only recently started to get that GSD body build--some length. My husband use to tell me that the breeder saw me coming and gave me a GSD/bulldog mix. He has always been very good about his recalls--especially when I learned to step aside at the last second to escape from a full slam into the lower legs. As he has gotten older he has started to slow down at the last so as not to send me flying, but he plants himself firmly on my feet. When I speak to him he looks at my face. He has a HIGH food drive, so much so that I started thinking maybe I should just throw in the food and run. No, just joking. He now knows that he has to either go into the sit or down or sometimes a combination of my choice before I feed him. I'm starting to work on wait, wait until I tell you to eat. We have also started on when he retrieves a thrown object and returns it to me that he must hold/release when I tell him to. (He use to just drop it at my feet--he did a natural retrieve something my older dog never did.) I have worked with him so that if I decide to walk up to him and take his toy that it is mine. I've done it in a manner that I think of as not teasing as when a child might take a dog's toy, but as an alpha who knows that any toy that he is playing with is mine and he only has the use of it for as long as I permit. I occasionally will walk up calmly to him while he is eating and speak to him and reach down and take his dish. (I've heard pros and cons on this). Whenever I put his food down, I always either give a little pat on the head or a scratch on the butt as I walk off. I would like some honest opinions on this style of training--and from things I've read on this board I know I'll get it. So I'll step back and wait. I want to know what I'm doing wrong and how to do it correctly and also what I'm doing right. I posted this here since there was a couple posts re:Otis and would like any specific advice on this line. Thanks----

P.S. I also posted here because I saw Robert here. It sounds like you know what I need on the pup's training.

Looks like I was too late. Robert already signed off before I got my post in. If anyone else has suggestions I'm open for advice either on training a pup like this in general or hopefully some inside scoop on an Otis line. I didn't mention it, but he is a grandson of Lord. (His dam is a Lord daughter). I've found out from someone recently that Lord dogs sometimes don't have as good as nerve as is desired for a top working dog so I would like to hear more on this also. Thanks again.

Theresa, check your PMs.

Assuming has gotten me burned several times, most recently by Kamakazie Kennels ( this is a pun, hope there really isn't a kamakazie kennel out there someplace). Darrel is pondering a pairing; are both participants hip x-rayed, and the whole deal? Otherwise, the point is mute. Hoping not to be offensive; I have no idea howlong Mr. Honeycutt has been into this as some new to animal husbandry are unintentionally indescriminate due to the lack of education experience or exposure, which, again I don't want to assume, as I have heard the same of Pirol.

Please keep your posts on topic. There is nothing wrong with starting a new thread.

The original question on this thread was about breeding an Otis dog to a Pirol (Lord) dog - I would NEVER do this.

Pirol never produced anything that I have seen that I would care to breed. Some dogs are better competition dogs than breeding dogs - Pirol was one of these - Lord was a genetic anchore on Pirols ass. Pirol produced small dogs that lacked drive - I know I bought one from Chip Wiese in Michigan - it was a pet that I gave away.

Otis's son has very good hips, his mothers name is holly. My pirol bitch has good hips also. Both dogs have excellent pedigrees. The pirol bitch's mothers name is timber von haus antverpa. They both have excellent drive and good training ability. Both are very good protection dogs. I am very experienced in training and handling dogs, I have been doing it for several years. My original question was to see what everyone would think about the results if I was to breed these two together. My female is line breed from the top to the bottom. I can't see how I could go wrong? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />