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#401480 - 07/16/2016 07:39 AM |
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Bob, you reminded me so often to reward randomly. It was worth it to be reminded frequently, because now I have not only understood, but in between I'm following this advice without exception.
Now my question is not about varying the frequency of rewards.
I've read that some trainers also reward randomly concerning the VALUE of it, they vary between ordinary food pieces, a bit more atractive and highly atractive ones.
Others wear more than one bait bag, so they have rewards of lower and higher value separated and deliver them each time according to the performance of the dog. For a normal correct behabvior the lower one, a higher for something more difficult or especially well performed exercise. This then is not random any more in my eyes.
In which way are you doing it? I until now always had a mixture of different foods and gave what I randomly caught.
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#401488 - 07/16/2016 11:12 PM |
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With most dogs that are food driven I've not seen any difference between high and low value rewards.
Thunder would do anything, including walk away from food for a game of tug.
Trooper is food crazy, period even though he does like a game of tug.
For high value try using a bridge and give more then one food reward, not necessarily different food reward.
When I want a behavior to continue that's when I use the bridge "good" and just give out more food, "give" more food.
Again, the randomness really can't start until the consistency of the behavior is accomplished.
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#401491 - 07/17/2016 06:18 AM |
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Ok, thanks. Then I'm doing it quite right now. I use though a mixture of food rewards, because I want them to get a balanced nourishment. I feed only during training sessions, they'd get too fat otherwise. That's one of the other reasons I hope they'll find more fun in a good game. Two of them have already captured it, the other not in the least.
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#401493 - 07/17/2016 07:03 AM |
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It is interesting to discuss the different techniques for using a treat training.
For my two cents, I use kibble to feed the dogs, so I use kibble as their training reward, and use it sparingly. Use it for playing around with amateur scent work too.
And I try to keep track of how much kibble they might ingest during training, and reduce the evening meal kibble volume by that amount. But I use food reward sparingly in favor of tactile and voice exuberance, so there is little chance of a weight issue as a result of rewards.
I am a contrarian in that I use the same kibble as the meal base and training reward. Too lazy or cheap to get high level rewards, and the mutts seem to respond.
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#401495 - 07/17/2016 12:12 PM |
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I used to feed kibble, but later on I read so many negative things about kibble (depends on the brand, difficult to distinguish), that I changed to raw food diet.
Of course I have to keep track too. I weigh the daily amount for each dog and divide it into two to three training sessions each day. If they have had only two, rarely just one session, then they get the rest of their portion in the evening.
As they are not (yet!!!) great in feeling rewarded by playing, they'd get easily too much food during the sessions. Especially when learning new things, they need more treat rewards.
Besides that playing has so many advantages for a dog anyway, this is one advantage too: if he can see the game, the interaction as a reward. That's - as far as possible - the direction I try to go. Once I will have achieved this, I will be able to gradually change my way of feeding.
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#401498 - 07/17/2016 10:53 PM |
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That can be very effective for feeding and training the dogs.
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#401504 - 07/18/2016 08:18 AM |
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I'm absolutely convinced of this. But for the brain damaged one it is until now difficult to understand, and for my "Phlegma"-Pit, who doesn't even pick up an object, I'm frankly not very optimistic.
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#401520 - 07/21/2016 09:00 AM |
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Sadie has very intense food drive, but she definitely values some treats more than others. Were I to offer her a dog biscuit as a reward, she would have to stop, sniff it, then take it to a safe place for further investigation before deciding that it was definitely edible. I have seen this at the vet and at the pet store, where the treats that they keep on the counter are not as tasty (to her) as the treats that I keep at home.
Her cataloging of treats would definitely cause a pause in a training session.
At the beginning of a session, she is more selective about treats. Once we get into a routine and her motivation is peaking, she is eager, and at that point treat value is probably not near as important.
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#401521 - 07/21/2016 12:35 PM |
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Funny you're experiencing this, Duane. My brain damaged one reacts in a simular way at he beginning of each session.
He comes to me jumping full of joy but then accepts no food whatsoever. So I think, he's not hungry enough. Then I throw 2-3 pieces down a short stairway - "Take it!" - he runs and on the command "Here!" he runs back to me - (3 months ago he had all trouble to climb the stairs) - and accepts the next piece of food out of my hand. After this he doesn't only accept the food, he is very eager on it. ???
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#401522 - 07/21/2016 10:53 PM |
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It's not uncommon for some dogs to view the interaction with their handlers as a reward.
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