price of puppies
#33463 - 05/21/2004 04:44 PM |
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I am new to this discussion board and I was just wondering what everyone's opinion is on prices of working line puppies is. I have checked around to some of the larger kennels and it seems that the going rate is $1000-$1500 for a working puppy with no real guarantee as to whether they will have the drive and ability for schutzhund. I can't afford $$$$ for an import started dog and I don't really have that great of support as far as a club atmosphere for correct imprinting so Im caught between a rock and a hard place. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Is it just me or are these breeders getting out of line in their prices. Hey I don't think $1000 is too bad, if the puppy is good, but $1500!!! That's crazy.
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#33464 - 05/21/2004 05:51 PM |
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That's pretty much the going rate. Try importing one nowadays. I know alot of breeders are planning to raise their prices on their puppies since trying to get puppies or adults from Germany are too expensive to import right now.
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#33465 - 05/21/2004 06:21 PM |
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Yeah $1500 does seem like alot especially if you dont know what your getting, which is why you do some serious homework!! I thought I did mine and ended up with a terrible breeder! I paid $920 for my male GSD puppy and I have been very dissapointed. Not with the puppy. So far hes got great drives and is what I want (so far) but the breeder totally lied and will no longer have any contact with me. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> I also found out that Kanes parents arent OFA certified, cant be since I went to the web site and cant find any records. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> Plus I found out after the fact that none of his dogs are titled! The only way I found that out was by a friend was acting as an interested buyer... he managed to tell her the truth, yet he told me he wanted to guide me in my schutzhund traning as much as possible. What a bunch of crap! How can he guide me if he cant even train his own dogs! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
So again just be sure that you get a pup from a very well known kennel that will stand behind their word and will make sure you will be suited with the kind of puppy your looking for. I learned the hard way. I couldve been suckered in by someone else and payed alot more, so I guess Im lucky I didnt pay more, and so far Kane has shown good character.
And yes those figures are the going rate. $1000-$1500 although theres a member on the board that may add some insight. Meghan do you have an opinion on price? Not everyone feels they have to charge so much for a good pup. So maybe you will find others on here that havent paid that much and they can recommend a breeder whos prices are lower with good quality pups. Unfortunatly I cant recomend my breeder. I wish there was a place to report people like this so other can be aware of the bad business!!
Good Luck on your search, and all I can say is ask, ask, ask, and ask more questions. My breeder told me (after the fact) that he made a mistake selling me a dog, and that he spent too much time with me. In other words I asked too many questions. So buyer beware!!
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#33466 - 05/21/2004 06:23 PM |
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Hi,
You are paying for Temperament, Drive, and Good Nerves!
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#33467 - 05/21/2004 06:53 PM |
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$1500 isn't too much to ask at all.
Ever do the math on what it takes to breed a good litter?
A quality female?
Stud fee of a quality male, or purchasing a quality male?
Medical costs?
Time raising and imprinting pup?
Overhead for pups and female (housing, feeding, etc)?
A Guarantee for replacement and health (you're gonna have to pay for that)?
Then add a little on top for the breeder, they freaking deserve it for one, and two, they'll need it to continue a good breeding program.
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#33468 - 05/21/2004 07:07 PM |
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Breeding is not cheap. Breeding stock is not cheap. Training and titling a dog with a good experienced trainer is not cheap. Traveling to training is not cheap. No, puppies are not cheap either.
A breeder can have thousands and thousands of dollars invested in a female before they even get a litter. Then there are stud fees, vet bills for health and progesterone testing..travel... Whether they buy a bred female - which is a REAL crap shoot, or raise and train their own female, even at $1000 - 1500 for a puppy, unless they have a pile of females, and breed them heat after heat and get nice sized litters without any complications to add big vet bills to the overhead, they aren't making alot of money off a litter. Sure maybe on this one litter there will be a profit, but there are just as many that are in the hole on a litter. I bet every small hobby breeder who is trying to produce nice dogs will have a pile of bills connected with the expensive import who never had a litter and had to be spayed and given away, the litter that had to be given up as replacement pups for HD pups or non working pups for some reason, the litter that was a disappointment and they ended up in pet homes, but still had to be registered and have their shots etc etc. Yes, there are breeders who get 1500 for pups and have 6 litters advertised at once, heck even current pups from a dam and her next litter obviously being bred on the next heat, and maybe they are making a living at it, and that is their perogative...but the small hobby breeder is NOT making a killing selling pups even at 1500 per when they look at the whole breeding program.
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#33469 - 05/21/2004 07:58 PM |
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Originally posted by Chastity Tyler:
So again just be sure that you get a pup from a very well known kennel that will stand behind their word and will make sure you will be suited with the kind of puppy your looking for. No every big name kennel will do puppy matching or stand behind thier dogs. Some just produce dogs in such quantity that sooner or later one will have to go on to do something decent. I'm sure you know this, but I just thought I would add it.
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#33470 - 05/21/2004 08:08 PM |
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Yeah I know not every big name kennel will be good, or will stand behind their word, which is why I said to do your homework, and to ask ALOT of questions. I did ask alot of questions, but I guess I didnt do enough homework. First time GSD buyer, making first mistake. And trust me Ive learned from it! :rolleyes: <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
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#33471 - 05/21/2004 11:07 PM |
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Lee - check your private messages !!!!!!
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#33472 - 05/22/2004 04:24 AM |
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I don't have a problem with paying 1000-1500 for a pup. What really burns me up is the kennels who charge $3000+ for a puppy and it's not any better than a $1000 puppy...the parents are titled to the same degree, temperaments are just as good...and the only reason they can sell a pup for this much is that people will pay that much! Sure, they're getting a good pup...but they think that just because they paid that much the pup is heads above the rest, and it's not!
As for buying from a big name kennel...I'd rather buy from a smaller, quality breeder, they really care about each and every one of their pups, they know each one's personality and quirks. It's not difficult to find a reputable smaller breeder, if you know the right places to look, or the right people to ask.
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