Ariane Gauthier wrote 01/27/2017 02:38 PM Recall help, my puppy catch a rabbit #402986 - 01/27/2017 02:38 PM
Ariane Gauthier Webboard User Reg: 11-23-2010 Posts: 817 Loc: St-Lazare, Qc Offline	Hi, Some how my Lucifer got his first prey (rabbit). He has a good recall normally and will come a drop stuff he is not suppose to have (brushes, horse leg protection) Well once he got the bunny and decided to eat it he would not come and he would not let me near him either. Other then back on a longer drag line, more recall work, maybe yummier treats. What can I do before the e-collar come out. Lucifer is now 6 months old and a very good boy, I even got a recall off wild turkeys. I did not have time to react with the rabbit. I saw a thing move, I knew he would not come back. He never bolted very far, just out of reach. Lucifer!
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Candi Campbell wrote 01/27/2017 05:03 PM Re: Recall help, my puppy catch a rabbit [Re: Ariane Gauthier ] #402989 - 01/27/2017 05:03 PM
Candi Campbell Webboard User Reg: 03-28-2013 Posts: 1571 Loc: Offline	Quote: Ariane Gauthier What can I do before the e-collar come out. What to do BEFORE training him on an e-collar: Order Ed's DVD "Remote Collar Training for the Pet Owner" -- Study it & train Lucifer accordingly on your remote-control collar http://leerburg.com/318.htm IMHO, there is absolutely No reason to Wait any longer, since you are already allowing him to be offlead in situations where he will continue to encounter Irresistible Temptations -- A major point of Proper Training on an e-collar is to have a FAIL-SAFE RECALL no matter what ... With correct e-collar training, it is Highly Unlikely that he would ever need any ongoing Stim to speak of at all, Ariane.
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Ariane Gauthier wrote 01/27/2017 08:35 PM Re: Recall help, my puppy catch a rabbit [Re: Ariane Gauthier ] #402990 - 01/27/2017 08:35 PM
Ariane Gauthier Webboard User Reg: 11-23-2010 Posts: 817 Loc: St-Lazare, Qc Offline	I have worked in the past with an e-collar. It is mostly his age that bugged me. tonight I have turkey under my back deck, when we went out for a potty break. Lucifer!
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Bob Scott wrote 01/27/2017 10:38 PM Re: Recall help, my puppy catch a rabbit [Re: Ariane Gauthier ] #402991 - 01/27/2017 10:38 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	As a side note and this may not apply because of the cold weather but rabbit fleas are a big carrier of tape worm. From my experience once a dog makes a kill it's a lot harder to break them from chasing critters. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Ariane Gauthier wrote 01/28/2017 08:56 AM Re: Recall help, my puppy catch a rabbit [Re: Bob Scott ] #402992 - 01/28/2017 08:56 AM
Ariane Gauthier Webboard User Reg: 11-23-2010 Posts: 817 Loc: St-Lazare, Qc Offline	I am not too worry of worm and other parasites. I got that covered pretty well as we are on a farm with lot of wood land. Today we went with a very long drag line. He is a sweet little angle with 30' or light rope attach to his collar
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Bob Scott wrote 01/28/2017 11:38 PM Re: Recall help, my puppy catch a rabbit [Re: Ariane Gauthier ] #402994 - 01/28/2017 11:38 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	With the dog being on a lead I think it's a matter of waiting it out till he jumps a rabbit. I haven't used a e-collar for training at all but, done correctly this seems to be the best bet. Others here may offer other better advice but i think this is one of those behaviors that need a solid correction that they can connect to the chasing of any critter. When I was training my first GSD for SAR work we would expose the dog to road kill and also live trapped animals in order to keep them from chasing anything on a search but again, these were dog that hadn't caught/killed anything previous to the training. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Cathy Goessman wrote 01/29/2017 08:04 PM Re: Recall help, my puppy catch a rabbit [Re: Ariane Gauthier ] #402995 - 01/29/2017 08:04 PM
Cathy Goessman Webboard User Reg: 12-03-2007 Posts: 1231 Loc: Phoenix, AZ Offline	I would just go to ecollar. Long lines are a PITA. 6 months is just fine for an ecollar especially if you are using modern low level training. Negative reinforcement methods are my preferred approach especially for pups.
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Candi Campbell wrote 01/30/2017 12:10 PM Re: Recall help, my puppy catch a rabbit [Re: Cathy Goessman ] #402996 - 01/30/2017 12:10 PM
Candi Campbell Webboard User Reg: 03-28-2013 Posts: 1571 Loc: Offline	Quote: Cathy Goessman I would just go to ecollar. Long lines are a PITA. 6 months is just fine for an ecollar especially if you are using modern low level training. Negative reinforcement methods are my preferred approach especially for pups. Glad to see that Bob & Cathy are both with me on this one My natural-born-prey-killing AKITA ("Shock & Awe Shaka") could be called off ANY PREY by just One !COME! Command using absolutely No Stim whatsoever -- I had proofed Shaka on All BASIC Obedience commands first BEFORE training her on the E-Collar ... Only then did I introduce the Remote-Control system & it only took ONE lesson for her to UNDERSTAND: Mom has an "Invisible Leash" now, so I must ALWAYS COME no matter what else Attracts my Attention !!! Shaka would TURN on a DIME and Race to Me off cats, Off Deer, OFF SQUIRRELS, off other dogs & anything else with NO STIM at all (And she was a Superior Hunter with MANY vermin KILLS under her belt Already.)
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Rachel Long wrote 02/05/2017 05:11 PM Re: Recall help, my puppy catch a rabbit [Re: Ariane Gauthier ] #403028 - 02/05/2017 05:11 PM
Rachel Long Webboard User Reg: 10-21-2016 Posts: 11 Loc: Offline	One of my dogs never had too much prey-instinct, but in the past few months it has really starting showing itself. Back to recall practice!
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Bob Scott wrote 02/05/2017 10:21 PM Re: Recall help, my puppy catch a rabbit [Re: Rachel Long ] #403030 - 02/05/2017 10:21 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	"NEVER" hesitate to go back to basics no matter how long you dog has been in training or how well it's been trained. Think of it as a home run baseball hitter doing batting practice. A soccer/football player taking shots at an empty goal. You can never go over the basics to much. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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