 dumb question about treat delivery
#405138 - 11/14/2017 05:06 PM |
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I am having trouble delivering treats effectively during training because they are small and after a few treats my hand is slobbery (thanks Greta  ).
1. Ideally how big should training treats be? I think what we're using are as big as two pencil erasers together- 1/4x1/4x1/2" ish
2. Do you guys carry around a golf/shooting towel or something to wipe your hands on?? lol
Seems dumb to have to ask but I find I am delivering more than one on accident and/or dropping them because they are just difficult to hold, which is really distracting. We are using Happy Howie's beef rolls sliced and put through an onion chopper as recommended on one of the training videos (great system btw).
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Re: dumb question about treat delivery
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#405139 - 11/14/2017 10:31 PM |
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That's a nice size but I wouldn't have any issue if you had to go bigger if handling them is an issue.
Lots of thoughts on the size of the treat but I personally think the delivery is more important then the size of the treat.
JMHO of course.
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#405140 - 11/15/2017 04:52 AM |
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Hi Carolyn. No dumb question at all!  I had the same problem in the beginning. In my case it was, because I give raw food and my hands were always slippery But meanwhile I got used to it. Dependjng on the type of treats I deliver a bit bigger pieces. I then have a much better grip.
Yes a towel I have always with me, not only because of the food, also because sometimes the heat makes my hands slippery too.
Bob, in case a piece falls down accidentally can this not be seen somehow as random reward?
As I never have treats in my hands while training, - always in my bait bag -, it cannot fall at the wrong moment. It happens then after the marker, maybe a piece more than I intended to give, but punctually.
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#405141 - 11/15/2017 10:26 AM |
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Never really had that problem. I'm kind of in agreement with Bob, it's all in the delivery. I keep the treats in a treat bag on my waist and deliver them pinched between two fingers. We've made a point of training our dogs to "take it nice" from our fingers rather than inhale them from our hands. We've gotten past the point of having to worry about our safety. She now just uses her lips to grab the treat or takes them with a real soft bite with her front teeth.
Also, we only rarely use soft treats, which are messier. Our dog doesn't seem to care what kind of treat we use so I guess we're fortunate in that regard and usually use hard treats.
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#405142 - 11/15/2017 05:24 PM |
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Addressing this from a slightly different angle, some dogs are just more prone to slobbering than others, and I'm not sure it's something that can be trained away. I have one who will drool profusely at just the anticipation of getting a treat. So for a dog like that, you may indeed have to keep a towel tucked in your pocket. I have two dogs, and I'm fortunate that the other one is not a drooler at all.
In at least a couple of his videos, I know Michael Ellis has demonstrated his method of holding the treat in the web of his hand between the thumb and forefinger. You can use the fleshy part of your hand there to grasp the treat but still deliver it with your hand almost opened flat, which definitely lessens the chance of any fingers getting bitten, and may help keep your hands dry, too.
I was thinking maybe there is a short video here somewhere demonstrating that technique, but if there is, I can't find it.
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#405143 - 11/15/2017 10:18 PM |
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"Bob, in case a piece falls down accidentally can this not be seen somehow as random reward? "
As long as it isn't an ongoing problem the worst that happens is the dog gets a freebee.
To many and the dog can be confused about timing/reward.
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#405144 - 11/16/2017 04:14 AM |
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No, if a piece drops it is always because i haven't felt that i had one more in my hand., but always in right timing. So it isn't a freebee?  what a word!) , the dog had to work for it.
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#405145 - 11/16/2017 09:13 AM |
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Thanks for all of the comments-
We are attempting to use the Ellis method- have watched several segments on it. Both of our dogs are just profuse droolers apparently. The combination of slime, tiny soft treats and speedy delivery is what seems to be making this difficult. Most of the time it's when I'm rewarding several times in a row that I end up with multiples or drops.
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#405146 - 11/16/2017 12:29 PM |
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I also use the E.M. method. Of course if you have droolers it makes it more difficult I guess with more practice you'll still be able to deliver the food how he shows. If you dry your hands with a towel from time to time you'll learn it. Perhaps there are other ways for a correct food delivery, which I don't know. I myself find Michaels way the easiest one in between, although I needed some time to learn it and also to estimate the right size of the treat depending on the meat I use.
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#405152 - 11/18/2017 06:32 AM |
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Wear old pants and wipe your hands on the front of your thigh from time to time. Don't wipe on the back, because you will end up soiling anything you sit on. You can also use a shower curtain hook to hang a rag off of a belt or loop, but it may get pretty nasty and end up spreading the slobber.
I don't like dropped treats (although it happens to everyone from time to time). They break the dog's focus and continuity of the session. I will typically deliver another treat as the reward, release the dog to find the dropped treat, and then immediately call her to front or heel to continue training.
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