So now, sprained wrist, fractured bone, and a chipped tooth. This is the grooming table etiquette.
We started markers day one. Now close to 6 months, no change. I need help.
Worst part is, he will lean into a movement on the table, and push back, even with a finger to move him over. He would rather get finger stabbing rather than move his rear over to stay on the table. I have removed my daughter from helping, as I have been bit 4 x's this week just on leash walking. And will not risk a kid as distraction.
His reactiveness on leash, with flat, slip, prong, does not change.
After my last post with the dog sitting, within an hour, she left the kitchen, he followed, I said nope, and he turned on me, leaving my left leg black and blue from hip to thigh as he fought the leash to follow her. That was just from grabbing the leash with a no! kitchen!
Today, on the table. I had help, but leash pressure aroused him, no leash will make him try and jump, he gave up food last month, I need a kick in the butt to nip this in the butt, cuz the main man, says, enough.
I don't blame him, I have 2 herniated discs, and my wrists are still healing.
This is me on kid sleep over night, where I finally have a breather, to have someone to tell me, I can stop this before Jim chucks him outside.

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And resource guarding reared its ugly head only for me. He watches me, follows me, and stares at me all day. I crate him every few hours or after walks, but he can lay in the kitchen for 6 hrs, just watching and following me from counter to doorways..
Crate is bad now too, had to put it in the corner where he can't see us , or he lays in it staring at me, panting, and drooling, and pacing to get out.
We tried a behaviorist, with remote training, and yes, no more bites. He just ends up ignoring commands and stim, until you heighten it,but once it is something he really wants to do, than he freaks out. Dropped that trainer, and went back to leash. Cost me a bundle.
Today I got bit when Jim started snowblowing. That is why I said, f it. I have no idea what I am doing, time to talk to my pro's.

Hi Betty, I don't know if this will be of any use for you. There are much more experienced ones here.

Charlie, my disabled one, was leash reactive too. He never bit, , but squeeked and screamed as if I were going to be murdered. After a while I put a very short leash on him and left if it there 7/24 for some weeks, just to make him familiar with wearing something which is not natural. But i never grabbed the leash. Only later on I did it now and then for a short time and tried to walk a few steps. Meanwhile he walks with me wearing a slipleash. Not a wonderful walk yet, but at least he doesn't protest any more.

Some problem with grooming or for other reasons being being touched. He only liked it behind his ears, every other spot was absolutely forbidden. I began slowly to touch him everywhere, began withone paws and so moved on. It took weeks until he allowed this. Now he only squeeks, when I try to lift a little bit his hind part.

I know of course, it is a completely different situation with your dog. but maybe it could of some help if you start with the part, which is most easy for him to accept it and then work on to the next ones. Only some thoughts because what you described reminded me so much on Charlie.

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And resource guarding reared its ugly head only for me. He watches me, follows me, and stares at me all day. I crate him every few hours or after walks, but he can lay in the kitchen for 6 hrs, just watching and following me from counter to doorways..
Crate is bad now too, had to put it in the corner where he can't see us , or he lays in it staring at me, panting, and drooling, and pacing to get out.
We tried a behaviorist, with remote training, and yes, no more bites. He just ends up ignoring commands and stim, until you heighten it,but once it is something he really wants to do, than he freaks out. Dropped that trainer, and went back to leash. Cost me a bundle.
Today I got bit when Jim started snowblowing. That is why I said, f it. I have no idea what I am doing, time to talk to my pro's.

Well hell, I'll just say it & let the chips fall where they may, Becky:

IMHO, that pup has been a Bad Fit in your home from the get-go

He would be on the next flight back to his Breeder by this afternoon, in my world...

He's a combo of "too much for you" and "unsafe around kids" -- Spouse is Right.

I understand what you mean, Christina. Harry absolutely hates any restraint, even tho it has been on since day 1! He wears a leash until bedtime!

Candi, I am not giving up yet! Jim doesn't want to see me get hurt. He as of last night, started to help with the grooming, so it was easier. I told him he needed to get more involved.
Resource guarding can be managed. He gets only chews in the crate. No where else.
As of today, he is on Nilf training. I am taking his breakie mixed with yummy treats and will be working on leash pressure.
He is a doll, until he has any leash pressure. Than cujo comes out. This does not happen at all with the flat collar unless you have to grab the collar itself. So he drags a leash permanently, and is only allowed right now from crate to kitchen.
Abby was a very anxious and skittish dog, I think he picked up in that, which is why I was keeping them in seperate rooms. It was my fault the other day, as she followed me into the kitchen when I was trimming my houseplants. He should have been put away or tethered.
Is there a way to train with a flat buckle collar? Our car reactivity training is doing well, with a tug, he even tugged with 2 dog teams passing by!

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I understand what you mean, Christina. Harry absolutely hates any restraint, even tho it has been on since day 1! He wears a leash until bedtime!

Candi, I am not giving up yet! Jim doesn't want to see me get hurt. He as of last night, started to help with the grooming, so it was easier. I told him he needed to get more involved.
Resource guarding can be managed. He gets only chews in the crate. No where else.
As of today, he is on Nilf training. I am taking his breakie mixed with yummy treats and will be working on leash pressure.
He is a doll, until he has any leash pressure. Than cujo comes out. This does not happen at all with the flat collar unless you have to grab the collar itself. So he drags a leash permanently, and is only allowed right now from crate to kitchen.
Abby was a very anxious and skittish dog, I think he picked up in that, which is why I was keeping them in seperate rooms. It was my fault the other day, as she followed me into the kitchen when I was trimming my houseplants. He should have been put away or tethered.
Is there a way to train with a flat buckle collar? Our car reactivity training is doing well, with a tug, he even tugged with 2 dog teams passing by!

Okie-Dokie -- Just needed to get that off my chest, Becky...

No prob! It is and will be an option, so. No worries!

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No prob! It is and will be an option, so. No worries!

Becky when he's dragging the drag line is he stepping on it a lot? I am wondering if having the line attached to his neck constantly isn't making him even more sensative to the pressure..

Is attaching the line to a harness when he's dragging it in the house rather than attaching it to his collar an option? I use a harness with Eleven because it seems like either she or one of the other dogs is always stepping on the line and jerking her neck - we don't have the neck jerk with the harness when someone steps on the line. If you need to correct him, you can always put the prong or dd collar on him with a short pull tab hanging on it so you can grab that to give a correction.

Just a thought...

How old is he now? Like 6 months? Seems a bit young for true aggression.... even a little young for a snotty teen acting out. He's reacting to the leash for a reason- pain and anxiety are the most common culprits in my experience.

When Fennec first came here, she bonded strongly with me and not so much with Paul. As a result she didn't really respect him or trust him. One day he grabbed her collar to take her out and I heard her snarl. I had never heard that before and he said she'd been doing that for a while. Immediately I made him stop grabbing her collar, and he took over feeding her and taking care of her. Once she build some trust in him, he was able to grab her collar with no problems - I have never had a problem with her... Without being there and seeing what's going on and what precipitates the behvior it's hard to call it. With Fennec, if we had gone to an outside trainer that didn't know her or the situation, we may have been told to correct her or whatever and in this particular situation, a correction from Paul would have made things worse as it would have given her a reason to distrust him.

Honestly with the reactivity to cars, pressure, the resource guarding... he really sounds like he's got lots of anxiety going on.... and since he's so young, it would most likely be genetic...

Just a couple of things to consider. My 2 cents - take it for what it's worth...

Kel

Two things that I'm looking at is 1st what Candi said about to much dog for you and 2nd what Kelly said about the strong possibility of the problem being aggression. At the very least a dog that NEEDS a strong handler.

Either way I don't think you are knowledgeable enough yet to handle the dog properly without some actual help on the spot.

LB has some terrific, highly skilled folks here but most all started with a dog with a less strong, OR poor temperament then your dog.

For your safety and your families it may be best to start over with another dog that will be easier to build YOUR leadership and Management skills.

Hard to do but this should be a "family first" issue for you.