I know that dogs can hear much higher frequencies than we. 64Hz - 45 kHz,, others write up to 60 kHz,

I've recently read that dog-whistles which emit high frequency sounds, which can't be heard by humans are for ex. used for herding dogs and that this not only for recalls but also to tell them from great distances in which direction to go or ask him to sit or down etc. (of course after appropriate training).

Is this true? If yes, how is this done? ex. 1 blast = "come back", 2 blasts = "sit", 3 times = "turn left" and so on.

Or is it possible to vary with such a whistle the frequencies of the sounds and the dogs learn to perform what the handler wants by distinguishing this?

And for normal training they write, it can be used to startle a barking dog in order to distract him and make him stop barking.

Is this a recommendable method? For me it doesn't sound good. Distraction, yes. But startling???

I've never had any luck with the silent whistles but I've not really put that much work in them.

Using a whistle for training different behaviors is quite common in herding but each different sound will be for a different command.

When working on distractions to stop a unwanted behavior that wrong behavior needs to have a consequence for ignoring it and that consequence is a taught.

Using a whistle for that means that particular whistle needs to have a consequence for ignoring it.

I've commented in the past that I can stop my dogs from fence fighting or just barking. That started when they were pups.

I started that by standing inside the house and when the dog was close enough and getting into something I would tap on the window and immediately step out and give a correction at a level hat matched the unwanted behavior. That could be something as simple as a strong "NO", a scruff, a finger pole, whatever.

It doesn't take long before the dog realizes that finger tap means quit what your doing.

During this early training I'm ALWAYS sure to reward ANYTIME I walk outside just for going outside.

I think it would be to easy for the dog to learn that my just going outside brings a negative with it.

It's all about timing, timing, timing!

I think the e-collar would work with the tap on the window but I've never been a fan of them.

One of the best tools out there "IF USED CORRECTLY" but I've never found the need.

The question about that whistle I asked only outof curiosity, not because I want to use it. For the recall I use a normal whistle or the word "near!"

Yes I remember you told about tapping on the window for barking and admired you for this. I tried this too and for barking at the fence I went there, said in firm voice "quiet!" , rewarded when they stopped. When they started again I repeated the command and for not obeying I put them in a time out. (Not as punishment)

They never learned to keep quiet because of a tap on the window, just looked and went on. My reaction was the same as you describe. BUT, Big Difference: Inconsistency!

I didn't run each time. During the day, yes, but not during the night.
This must be the reason why they didn't learn it.

I know timing absolutely necessary and correcting. But when I wake up they've already been barking for a while, so timing is not possible any more.

An E-collar I don't want to use. Perhaps just prejudice, but I'm afraid to use incorrectly and I've no one here to correct ME.

 Quote: Christina Stockinger

The question about that whistle I asked only outof curiosity, not because I want to use it. For the recall I use a normal whistle or the word "near!"

Yes I remember you told about tapping on the window for barking and admired you for this. I tried this too and for barking at the fence I went there, said in firm voice "quiet!" , rewarded when they stopped. When they started again I repeated the command and for not obeying I put them in a time out. (Not as punishment)

They never learned to keep quiet because of a tap on the window, just looked and went on. My reaction was the same as you describe. BUT, Big Difference: Inconsistency!

I didn't run each time. During the day, yes, but not during the night.
This must be the reason why they didn't learn it.

I know timing absolutely necessary and correcting. But when I wake up they've already been barking for a while, so timing is not possible any more.

An E-collar I don't want to use. Perhaps just prejudice, but I'm afraid to use incorrectly and I've no one here to correct ME.

LOL, here's how it works at my house, Christina:

I have "no-bark collars" -- Got them from Leerburg ... They work like this:

Level 1 = warning Tone
Level 2 = warning Vibration
Level 3 = mild zap
Level 4 = medium Zap
Level 5 = mega ZAP

AND you can set the collar so that it BEGINS with just the Tone only, then if the dog barks AGAIN the collar auto-progresses to Vibration, another bark & the collar auto-progresses to a mild zap, so-on & so-forth...

So my dogs have been Educated on their collars (just takes ONE experience) -- My command is NO BARK ... When I put them on, I say: No-Bark COLLAR

While wearing those collars, they do NOT bark, because they know better -- But my female, who's SMARTER than my male, can go without hers now ... If she barks, all I have to say is, NO BARK, and she knows that IF she disobeys THEN she gets the collar put on her // My male always has to WEAR his, but it doesn't have to be Activated, because he just THINKS it is (LOL).

The whole point of a No-Bark Collar is that the dogs do NOT get zapped after the 1st time or so, because they have LEARNED almost Instantly not to bark while wearing that collar -- And if they're Smart, they will associate the NO BARK command with its Consequence, and not even NEED the Collar any longer ... If I was as good a dog trainer as our dear friend Old Bob here, then this could have been quickly accomplished WITHOUT me having to Buy those Collars at all, but such is life in my world

Ditto with Candi because the no bark collars don't require your pushing the button.

The dog's voice triggers them.

Again, not my thing but they definitely can be used without the fears of a manual e-collar and the stim can also be adjusted to fit the dog's temperament.

Goog gracious! Candi and Bob, this sounds wonderful to a certain extent! But I think my dogs will need the rest of their life to learn to stop barking even with such a collar and by then they wil not be able any more to bark at all.

But iworth trying, certainly. Only thing which in my eyes doesn't really match: If we want dogs who bark as an alert we can't expect from them to keep quiet in other situations. Unless with a nonautomatic collar.

It happened yesterday afternoon that suddenly Slippie barked in a very strange and ectremly excited way, though she is not a big barker. She was on a long chain and when I went to her I saw she was ripping on it incredibly in order to reach a near garden bed. if she had been just on the leash I wouldn't have been able to hold her back. I only succeeded with lot of effort to shorten the chain. Then I looked and after a while I discovered there was a long snake. That distraction was too strong. I couldn't even make Slippie sit, which normally works "perfectlyl".

If she had worn such a collar she would probably soon have recieved a mega zap and shut up and we wouldn't have been alerted. This happened already three times, twice because of a poisonous snake.

Of course we could have taken off the collar, when we want do to be alerted. But snakes come day and night. So we always want to be alerted although we don't like excessive barking. It would been contradictory to expect the dogs to alert and not to alert. It's a decision between either or other, I think.