I was chatting with a vet at TTD seminar. Initially we started talking about the raw diet and supplements, that is how glucosamine came up. She has had several gsd's with HD and so with her new puppy she decided to do a few things different. The first was to feed a raw diet. She also mentioned that she gave glucosamine right from 8 wks. and on. I asked whether she felt this would prevent hip problems. She did not think so but felt that IF there was a hip problem then at least she had been supporting the dog/system right from the beginning. She did not think it would do any harm.
Since, I have given it to my dogs in smaller doses when they are young. I beleive that it also helps to support the 'whole' system of the dog/puppy during activity /injuries etc. I usually use the glucosamine/chrondrotin combination.
I would be curious if a vet could validate that glucosmine works in dogs in a similar way it does in humans...
I take glucosamine on the advice of an orthopedic doctor; for several years he simply adivsed it couldn't hurt...but last visit he informed me that recent studies in which the molecule is tagged/tracked has proven that the stuff actually DOES end up in the joints! What's more, it seems to gravitate more to damaged areas than healthy areas. Good news for humans. Wouldn't it be great if it worked on dogs that way too...?
When I worked for a vet the owners that tried glycoflex and cosequin loved both. The vet didn't sell other brands so I can't compare. One owner said that she was able to give 1/2 as much rimadyl with the glycoflex. As much as the stuff costs I would hope that it would be doing something for the people to be coming back for more <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> . A family friend has experienced good results with her older lab on glycoflex as well (haven't tried other brands as far as I know). I'm starting Auster on glucosamine for prevention now that she is five (but still jumps and spins on the hardwood). Haven't started it yet so can't help you with that (have it in the cabinent, just have to recalculate how much supplement mix she would need and add it).
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Anyone know if a human grade glucosamine can be used on GSD? From where I come from human grade ones are cheaper than for pets <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> and let say an adult GSD how much to give for maintenance. Mine runs, jumps and trains everyday in diff SchH excercise.
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The vet we use indicated for a normal sized grown gsd to use half the dose recommended for humans...which is 1500mg/day.
The most economical deal we've found so far is the one at Sams Wholesale: their Members Mark brand which pills are 750mg each. Two of those per day would be the dose for humans; one of those per day would be the dose for a gsd.
So in the morning the dogs and I line up for our pills! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
(Check out the Consumers Report on glucosamine: because this "supplement" is not regulated, some brands don't always contain what they advertise.)
I have been using gluco/chron combination for about 2 years on my older PSD GSD. She was diagnosed w/ degenerative myelopathy (spinal disease) this past summer, so I retired her. I took my dog to the Iowa State University's Vet program, one of the best in the U.S.
Besides a specific diet, exercise and doubling the dosage of gluco/chron, my dog is doing as well as expected.
They have convinced me to use the gluco/chron combination on any dog 2 years or older. They also convinced me to use for my own aches and pains. So I have started it on my younger GSD's. It works.
For severe problems I was instructed to give 2000 mg a day to my GSD. For the normal dosage 1000 mg. My GSD's range from 75# - 90#.
I have an orthopedically challenged pup - OCD in elbows and, in the past 9 months, 2 cruciate surgeries. I also have a senior ES with spondylosis.
I use both Cosequin and the Puritan G/C/MSM, Glycoflex, salmon oil, ester C, vitamin E - shark cartilage off & on.
For bad days, I use bromelin, curcumin, yucca and boswellia.
As long as you use supplements that have been independently tested, you just have to figure out what works best for your dog.
Suggested dosages usually are:
glucosamine 20/25 mg/lb/day
chondroitin 16 mg/lb/day
These are naturally recurrent substances in the body, so any excesses get expelled.
My orthovet think supplements, in breeds that are prone to joint issues, ought to be started at 8 weeks.
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