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Malanois in a Pack how well do they get along.
#41417 - 09/09/2002 03:11 PM |
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Malanois in a Pack how well do they get along?
I was reading an article of how new handler must wait days before they start walking a new Mal adult. Feeding and building confidence in the dog, before walking him. It made the dog sound more like a wild animal then mans best friend.
I wonder how well they do in multi-dog family or a pack, would it be blood and guts for the owner and the dogs?
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#41418 - 09/09/2002 03:23 PM |
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What can say about most of the Mals I have seen is they are a bit nervous when changing hands, and because of this nerve you can get bit. I find this more true if the dog has no training and you start to train with it to fast.
A good friend of mine got a Mal. that has good training from Germany, from what he could see on a video, and the dog seemed sound in Europe in public places . The dog is in the States now, and has never come around. He spooks at things and is not really taking to this guy at all. And the guy is a decent trainer not a new handler. You can see he is stressed out by the whole thing of moving.
The dog is going back. I have been told by people that are into Mals that this type of thing is not uncommon with them. Nerves are a big consideration when buying an adult or even younger Malinois.
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#41419 - 09/09/2002 03:39 PM |
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I have a young male Mal (14 months), he does fine with our two Shepherds. He is very submissive to our adult male (who is the dominant dog in our household), but continually attempts to manipulate situations for his advantage. He enjoys playing rabbit for the shepherds on occassion.
In my experience, Mals are very sensitive animals. Sensitive in that they are very perceptive; visually, auditorily, everything. When raising from a puppy, expose them to EVERYTHING in a positive manner. This really goes for all dogs, but with Mals, it can really make or break them.
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#41420 - 09/09/2002 08:13 PM |
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I've asked ALOT of questions about this breed and have been around a few recently. As far as their behavior goes with rank, etc. they're very much like the GSDs. Their energy is much greater of course but as far as their dominance, it's much more like the GSD. When I say that I mean compared to the Rott or Dobe when dealing with them is different in training.
I'm not an expert but that's how I've proceived it. I don't think though there as big of lunatics as they've been made out to be. I've been around some good ones, but the ones I were around were some of the top in the US or world, so I'm not the authority on this. I will say though surprisingly, when they're not working they aren't just nervous killers. If their energy worries you then I would get a Dutch Shepherd, they seem to be a good medium. Their temperament is very much like the GSD, a really good lined GSD. Plenty of fire.
I would really watch your Dogo around it or any dog that's known to be very dominant. It'll hurt his confidence permanently.
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#41421 - 09/09/2002 08:46 PM |
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Really there are many problems within any breed of working dogs. The Malinois are noted though for having thin nerves and high, super high prey drive and high energy, which in turn causes problems for some people.
I have noticed in the Malinos problems with them being nervous on slick floors, and staircases, more so the then the GSD. I have also seen that Malinois do not change hands well. This all comes back to the noted thin nerves of the breed by most working dog folk.
Do not get me wrong, I have seen some great Malinois out there, and the one's that had solid nerves, most working line GSD would get a run for thier money, so it really comes down to selection testing the dog no matter what breed it is.
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#41422 - 09/10/2002 02:48 PM |
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Originally posted by Michael Talyor Rivers:
I have noticed in the Malinos problems with them being nervous on slick floors, and staircases, more so the then the GSD.
I have a rescue Malinois listed in the GSD Adoption forum here. When I picked her up I had no experience w/ the breed before. Reading what you all have written about them certainly brings to light some of her behaviour. She is 9 months old...I picked her up 1 month ago. She seems very timid and I'm certain she has never been exposed to many things at her former house of course. Anyhow, she is scared to death to go out the gate at my house...I either have to pick her up or drag her by the leash to get her out. Once out the gate-she is perfectly fine, it's just getting her to accept walking out it. Not to get started on a different topic, but any suggestions?
Thanks for the info! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Oh, to stick w/ the topic...Zara gets along GREAT w/ my personal 3 dogs. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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#41423 - 09/10/2002 03:16 PM |
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There is no instantanious magical cure for dogs that are fearful of everything or of certain things. All you can do is spend time bonding with the dog and obedience train her. Timid dogs find comfort in this. Don't praise her or re-assure her when she acts afraid. She will think you are telling her she is good when she acts fearful. Just ignore her and you act confident. She needs to pick up on your confidence. If she finally goes through the gate on her own, don't make too big a deal out of it, just calmly say "good girl" and distract her towards play or something pleasurable. She will get the hint that it's not so bad to go thru the gate.
Read Ed's articles on dealing with shy and timid dogs. Let's try and get this back on topic. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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**** MALINOIS in a Pack and How Well do they get Along ****
They do not get along once a disagreement comes by.
I will match one male with a female to play and exercise with under strict supervision but I would never go beyond this and place my whole kennel of Real Working Malinois together for a dog family reunion.
You are simply asking for a major vet bill and or loss of good stock.
The last thing any person who is serious about their working protection dogs want to see happen is for the dogs to rather be with dogs and not people.
Bad Move in my estimation. Bad enough allowing adults to pack up. I have had pups at less than 3 months gang up and kill a weaker member of the pup pack. Over Nothing!!!!!!!!
Yep KILL, Rip amd Maime to Death and less than 3 months old.
Jerry Cudahy
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I've heard some pretty note worthy things from the police department that work with this breed. Most of the trainers see their dogs as fearless tough, mean and really aggressive, sometimes handler aggressive.
I was wondering how this breed of little meanass dogs would do in a family situation, with other animals? Like cats and smaller dogs, would they be friend or prey?
I guess there are working & pet malinois that are fearful and lack confidant, thats pretty bad won't even come out of the fence. This is obvious a trait that is just part of the breed. The Mal hasn't been popular in the U.S. long enough for us to ruined it.
It seems that the Mal in the new anything ... enviroment or handler situation seem to be a shy aggressive bitter if not handled properly when they are on unfamilar ground. Is this the standard temperment for this breed, sly neverousness?
They seem to be vicious toward one another, but will get along if an dog hiearchy is already setup.
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#41426 - 09/11/2002 04:11 PM |
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Goodogu:
I was wondering how this breed of little meanass dogs would do in a family situation, with other animals? Like cats and smaller dogs, would they be friend or prey?
***If you get a pup or young dog and raise it propery you should be OK. Although, small animals & Cats could be a target for sure. Don't leave things unsupervised!
The Mal hasn't been popular in the U.S. long enough for us to ruined it.
***I wouldn't go that far, especially since a lot of dogs that ended up here were crap to begin with.
Is this the standard temperment for this breed, sly neverousness?
***No. Sly maybe, but they shouldn't be nervous wrecks. Check out Ot Vitosha Malinois, New England K9 or Seven Pines Kennel.
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