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Puppy watching bite work of two other dogs.
#41941 - 07/23/2004 11:26 AM |
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I had read here that you can tie a dog/puppy out and have them watch bite work training and it will make them understand and work better.
I did a little tug work with the puppy and she did well. Jumping to get the Bite and pulling hard in short sessions. I'd let her win the tug she would lay down on it. So I decide to let her watch the adult dogs work the tug. While this happening she is barking, running around the pole and jumping, building frustration right?
Well I put the adults dogs up, and try to get the puppy to work the tug, and I get a half hearted effort more interested in where the other dogs are then the tug.
What happened??? Puppy 14-16 weeks. Am I
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Re: Puppy watching bite work of two other dogs.
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#41942 - 07/23/2004 11:41 AM |
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I think this depends a lot on the dog/puppy watching. Sounds like your pup was more interested in the other dog than the tug. The pups drive for the tug will get stronger with time. The drive on my 6 month old pup is light years away from when he was 12 wks old. On our SAR team, we have a few dogs that aren't allowed to watch the others when we do drive building. It seems to build dog agression for those individuals.
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Re: Puppy watching bite work of two other dogs.
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#41943 - 07/23/2004 01:14 PM |
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So I should not work the adults in front of the puppy until she gets a firm understand of what she is doing on the tug. Because she seem to have really enjoy the work until I bought them out.
Is a puppy inclined to build dog aggression, while tied out or does she just want to play with the other dogs?
I've heard that you should keep the puppy away from the other dogs so that it only wants your attention. Do you let your dogs hang out with each other?
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#41944 - 07/23/2004 01:49 PM |
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Watching other dogs do manwork is not same as playing with other dogs. Just tie him and let him watch.
<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> To me it is like martial arts movies when aprentice has to watch and do stupid chores for few months before real thing <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> (yea building drive through frustration). Btw good timeframe to weed out unpatient handlers <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
My dog when i started taking her to watch was not interasted at all (4mo) she was looking around at God knows what, than barking started, than started barking towards action, and than started barking towards helper. So give him time.
She is 8mo now and barks strongly at helper but can turn at dog next to her, THAT is not alloved. Dog aggression is no no to me.
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#41945 - 07/23/2004 01:56 PM |
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I would definately keep the pup away from watching. At least till it had good drive and focus on the tug. Later, you'll have to determine wether the pup is focusing on you and the tug, or the other dogs. I want my dog to be willing to stand on his head for the kong toy. Dog aggression can be learned and/or genetic. My two terriers are always together. My GSD runs with them only under my supervision. Mainly because the JRT is a pushy little bastard, and is more than willing to dominate the young GSD. For the most part, the GSD is in the kitchen at night or or his kennel in the yard. By the fall of the year, he'll be a kennel dog with house privledges. Being a working dog, I want his focus on me. He loves to play with my Border, but I limit that to only when I can control it. He's at the point now, where even in the middle of playing with the Border, he'll leave her for the kong. That's what I want.
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#41946 - 07/23/2004 02:21 PM |
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Hey Don,
I agree with Bob to not let your pup watch yet.......I would get the "Drive, Focus, and Grip" video and just build Drive in your pup so that she will focus on the prey item and enjoy playing tug with you. After your pup wins the tug, DONT let her lay down on it........run her in a circle and bring her into your arms with her being calm in your arms. This builds trust and a good bond, because you allow her to hold the prey item while she is in your arms. The video is like 2 hours long and full of very good info for Foundational Bite Work Development.
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#41947 - 07/23/2004 08:08 PM |
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Mine started watching at about 4 1/2 months. But dont just tie it out to watch. Have it on a lead. When it barks, showing attention, let it move forward a foot or to closer. More barks and growls let it move a foot or two closer. The movement is the reward for getting into the game.
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#41948 - 07/26/2004 06:22 PM |
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OK Ron, John and Bob, specail Thanks!
I'll give each one your ideas a try, I'll back track the training to build a her focus on the tug and maybe later let her watch the adults. Then let her get a little closer each session, to build frustration and wanting to work.
And I'll try walking her in the circle with the leash on her I guess, because if I try to guide with the tug it just will cause her to start pulling.
Any other good ideas to improve this pups bite work, she drives through the air to make some her bites. I want to definitely try to enhance her drive, not hurt it.
Thanks folks, I'm open for suggestions.
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#41949 - 07/26/2004 07:26 PM |
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Don
In re-reading your post, it sounds like you tried to work her right after she witnessed the adults doing bite work! If so , I would say the problem might be---She got so excited watching and listening to all that barking and getting loaded up,, that all of the sudden the excitement was gone, all that is left was the tug.
My pup watches as I stated, but then gets put up for a hour or so, before being worked. For many reasons, the least of which is that after all the barking and jumping around she is tired out..
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#41950 - 07/27/2004 01:30 AM |
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I've heard that you are not supposed to have a dog that is not being worked out on the field watching, that they should be in their crate. I guess this also applies to puppies.
Is this a general rule, and why or why not?
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