anyone have any opinions on this dog, and what he has produced?

I have seen some son's and daughters from him, in Schutzhund, and they looked good; there was one that was very strong, I think it went to Mink on the mother's side if I am not mistaken; most likley why it was extra strong.

I know a guy in Germany that had him in his club when he was younger; he told me that the dog was a dog with very nice drives, and did well in all phases when he saw him, but he could not handle pressure very well. He would kinda fold under a stronger correction - he would not shut down, but it would take him a bit of time to recover from a meduim correction. So it would be fair to say he did not have a harder temperment.

As far as if Yoshy's progeny produce good service dogs, I cannot comment really, as I have never knowingly worked, or seen on worked off of a field.

Yoschy was one of the most popular SchH/working line studs in Germany several years ago. Stats through 2001 show Yoschy produced 26 dogs who participated in the Bundessiegerprufung (BSP), a record that is only exceeded by Drigon vom Fuhrmannshof (sired 39 BSP participants), Yoschy's grandsire Fero vom Zeuterner Himmelreich (sired 35 BSP particpants), Bernd vom Lierberg (sired 35 BSP participants), and Yoschy's sire Troll von der bösen Nachbarschaft (sired 28 BSP participants).

Yoschy was in the BSP in 1994, where he failed protection because he wouldn't out. Supposedly he got a standing ovation anyway.

Yoschy died relatively young at 8 or 9 years of age, of either stomach or liver cancer (I hear different stories).

Laura

I think the dog produced his share of Monordhids. My friend (Ulrich Gerling) won the police dog championships with a son in 1999 - a nice dog - one testicle. One this for sure - he was not a Bernd Lierberg and not in the same class of dog. Don't mean to be overly criticle but a Bernd he was not.

Originally posted by Ed Frawley:
One this for sure - he was not a Bernd Lierberg and not in the same class of dog. Don't mean to be overly criticle but a Bernd he was not. According to Willis, Bernd was also a producer of cryptorchids.

What positive traits did Bernd produce that Yoschy (or other recent studs) have not produced? What dog today is in Bernd's class?

Laura

Hi everyone,
This is my first post on this board.I cannot say that I am a real working dog person.I only love the breed especially the working lines side.
Just want to tell about my Yoschy's son,one of the 1999 BSP participants ,whose mother also sired by Fero.He is going to be 8 yrs old next March.
He is a very clean dog,nothing can break him .
He is very obedience and very tough in protection. But I think he is too fast in tracking(not as precisive as should be),I'm not sure whether they call this kind of dog ...a hectic dog???!!.I've heard that he's been trained with E-collar for all his life. I work with him now without e-collar,prong collar or even choke chain,only leather band.He is still a great dog to work with.My only problem working with him is that he loves to play tug-of-war as his reward and he plays it too hard that I almost break my back everytime after. He has a bad habit of running around all the time...which someone from other bb said he has kind of "weak nerve"??!!That he could not keep control of himself ..things like that.I am a novice and don't know much about this kind of thing.For me,this is only a waste of his energy. Anyway,he is still very strong and overall healthy. He is a tough dog but very good with even small children..can climb up on his back or anything they like(yes under my supervision).He never show any sign of agressiveness to stranger,but will always keep watching.
I also would like to know more of Yoschy and his other sons or daughters.
Hope I did not say anything wrong here...(help me God)

Here's a question i have of Yoschy progeny. How are they under stress on slick floors, dark areas, and unsure footing. This has been a HUGE problem for fero sons and fero grandsons I have seen in police work. bad enough now that I try to pass on Fero stuff for the most part in police work (interestingly enough many of these dogs still grip with a full mouth even though they can hardly stand or search on slick floors and stairwells, these are seperate concerns from grip which seems to be Fero's claim to fame in sport circles).
Now i don't mean that you can walk into petsmart with the dog or even play ball on slick floors, but when they are placed in new stressful environments for the first time what is their response? This has been a huge barrior to me considering Fero stuff for myself and one I think may be a downfall in the long run for Fero and maybe Yoschy in the long run as it shows a pretty serious flaw (by the way this is a perspective from working probably 30+ dogs, not a small sample).

Vipada: What is your dogs name and who is the mother? Thanks!

My impression is with some Yoschy progeny that they have the insane prey drive, coupled with high excitability of the modern sport dog. In my opinion this hyper-prey drive can sometimes mask nerve problems, because the prey drive is so high that the dog doens't notice the threat and/or its environment, as in the example of playing ball at a Petsmart or the familiar environment of a SchH field (the mere presence of blinds and a sleeve is enough).... but send that dog into a dark building it has ever seen before for a bite, i.e. without prior conditioning to the event, I would think it could expose the true nerve of the dog...

Originally posted by Rickey Rose:
Vipada: What is your dogs name and who is the mother? Thanks! well, I show a Flay vom Seizlesbrunnen (Yoschy D x Bona vom Seizlesbrunnen) 89-97-88 274SG at the 99 BSP. And that is the only Yoschy son out of a Fero daughter entered.