I remember once making a comment on feeling the GSD should be breed for more civil aggression and to be more of a one task dog. (Police and Protection Dog) Some don't agree, which is fine. That's just how I feel.

There's so many breeds available, I would think you could get better results if a dog was breed for one function alone. Not for coat color, coat type, the ability to be with elementary students once minute, and chase middle east terrorists the next.

This would seem too difficult, if it was bred for more of a one function purpose. Wouldn't that help the breed for security and police work if it was breed for just that? The KNPV dogs seem to be breed for ability of these skills only, to me.

I've heard a GOOD police dog won't be found in a classroom, too intense. A dog needs to have obedience/nerves but do some feel the GSD is hurt when it's bred for an all round dog instead of a top security dog? And do the members feel people who do breed for police and security work try to get the all round dog?

Sport is for the this function to me. It's not about winning nationals. It's to produce top security working dogs.

What're the thoughts?

When I say breeders, I just mean a lot of them. It's not all breeders.

Well, Brad, bear in mind that von Stephanitz himself felt that the GSD's unique strength was in its abilities as a multi-purpose "ultimate working dog"--remember "best at no one thing, second-best at everything"??? That is what makes the GSD an unusual breed. The Doberman was bred as a protector of man, and does a damn fine job of that. Now no rap on the Dobe people, but your average Dobe isn't found as a guide dog for the blind, or tending 300 sheep, or doing search and rescue (and before anyone guillotines me here, I KNOW there are exceptions and have even seen them myself!). My point is that GSDs are found frequently in all of these occupations, in addition to their more well-known role as police service, narcotics, and bomb/arson dogs.

There are probably plenty of people who would argue that the GSD would be better off being bred just for police work. But there are plenty of other people who need GSDs for other applications, and hopefully one day we can all meet under the same tent (yeah, THAT'll happen <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> ).

Pete

Brad,
I can only speak for the British Army, but we keep the dogs to specific jobs, i.e. we have three forms of attack dog.

1)Security: Security dog are trained not to bite, just to chase and corner. They may nip now and again. Obviously for low security areas.

2)Security Arm True: these dogs will go for the most predominant arm i.e. the arm waving the weapon. Mid security areas.

3)Guard (War) Dog: the dog will go for the arm first, then please it’s self. If there are no arms waving, i.e. no weapon the dog will generally just please its self. Believe me the man will go down.

None of these dogs are trained to track, just to air scent. The tracker dog only tracks.

The Arms Explosives dog detects just that, Arms & Explosives.

I left the Army in 1990 things may have changed.

Originally posted by Brad G.:
I remember once making a comment on feeling the GSD should be breed for more civil aggression and to be more of a one task dog. (Police and Protection Dog) Some don't agree, which is fine. That's just how I feel.

There's so many breeds available, I would think you could get better results if a dog was breed for one function alone. Not for coat color, coat type, the ability to be with elementary students once minute, and chase middle east terrorists the next.

This would seem too difficult, if it was bred for more of a one function purpose. Wouldn't that help the breed for security and police work if it was breed for just that? The KNPV dogs seem to be breed for ability of these skills only, to me.

I've heard a GOOD police dog won't be found in a classroom, too intense. A dog needs to have obedience/nerves but do some feel the GSD is hurt when it's bred for an all round dog instead of a top security dog? And do the members feel people who do breed for police and security work try to get the all round dog?

Sport is for the this function to me. It's not about winning nationals. It's to produce top security working dogs.

What're the thoughts? Dear lord Brad! I hope that my SERIOUS police dog can go into the class room! If it couldn't it also couldn't work in conjunction with the tactical team, close quarters with back up and a host of other deployments.
In addition, the expense of maintaining multiple handlers for multiple tasks for the modern police department is just too high! A dog to track a dog to do narcs, a dog to do tactical deployments, a dog to evidence search, a dog to do patroo work and the handlers to train and maintainto go with 'em. You suggest a logistical and economic nightmare!
Sounds good when you say it, fails in application.

Well I just meant in relation that many people seem to breed for sport, or for overall behavior of a good pet. At least that's what I read on a lot of websites.

I didn't mean they shouldn't be used to track and not do what other tasks you mentioned. They can do all that and good enough for it not to be necessary to bring in other breeds. At least that's what I've heard on the issue when people discuss Labs, Bloodhounds, etc. Their ability doesn't matter with the results to bring them in. The smaller the funds then the better reason to use one breed generally to do all.

If that's how it sounded that's not what I meant.
I didn't mean they should be bred to attack only or anything like that.

On the comment I made in not having them in the classroom I've heard it's not as common for them to be there because they can control their dog but not other people. Therefore they don't generally bring their all stars. You'd clearly know more than me because of your job and experience. On the classroom deal that's just what I've heard from other people in your position. I don't have the experience to say. Like anything, many opinions vary, whether they be Sport, Military or Police handlers.

If I'm wrong of course I apologize. I hope you don't take any offense to the post.

Plus reading what I posted, it was some time ago. This was more of a question. It wasn't meant to be a statement on what should be done.