Just a quick question for you all... What are the practical working and conformation (size drives) etc differences of the working lines of German bred dogs compared to Czech/Dutch/Belgian/Slovak bred dogs..
As I am new to working dogs it would be good to get a clear definition as to why a person would pick say Czech bred over German for example??
My bitch comes from West German lines and their conforamtion is supposed to be better, do you find that is the case??
Will Rambeau Moderator Reg: 01-25-2003
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Well Mark,
The Czech and DDR dogs were isolated behind the Iron Curtain long enough that dogs with those bloodlines are obvious to the naked eye after you've been in dogs just a short time. There is a sharp division between West German showlines and working dogs, both physically and with their work ability.
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Not knowing bloodlines very well the bitch that is coming to me soon has Fado Von Karthago, Carmen v. Tiekehook,Arek v. Stoffelblick, Marek v Haus Antverpa on the sires side and on the dams side there is Belschik v. Eickenbruche, Fero, Arek v. Stoffelblick, Link v. Muikenshof and Blacky v.Neuen Land....
Does anyone know anything about her sire....Ugo v. Burenswald??
From what you all know of bloodlines, are these all West German descended dogs???
If I had chosen a Czech bitch for example how would it have differed drive/confirmation wise!!
That will link to Marks new bitch. For those of you that like to see who is where in a pedigree.
So far as what would have been different with a CZ dog, all depends on the breeder. My CZ/DDR bitch is what some would call ugly because she is very masculine, but I love her looks. No matter what your country of origin you will run into dogs that are sharp, nervey, defensive or confident, hard, etc. so to try and generalize a dog based on its country alone isn't a good idea. Ugo is in Texas standing at stud, do a search on yahoo, I can't remember then kennel name right now, and I am in the process of moving. (ugh)
So why do you guys pick Czech over German etc or the other way around, is it planned or have you bred on what you started with??
is there any competion between importers or breeders of the relevant lines as in the competition that exists between Gsd and Mal lovers as to what is the best working dog??
I would like to know, and has anyone 'switched' lines after breeding one line and seeing another as better??
Will Rambeau Moderator Reg: 01-25-2003
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I think a fair amount of folks are viewing Czech lines as the most dog for the money in terms of drive- but these views change over time, sometimes rapidly so.
This is a topic that I have been trying to figure out myself. I have always wondered why a breeder would breed only czech or only DDR ect. Im sure that dogs from each bloodline have different merits, but like Deanna said, You cannot judge a dog by the country of its origin. There are good and bad dogs in any bloodline you just have to be around dogs for long enough to know and recognize the qualities of a good working dog. I know a few breeders who only breed old czech and DDR bloodlines because it is those lines that were bred with high fight drives in mind that were used more for police work than sport. These breeders are just trying to preserve the qualities that were originally intended for these dogs.
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