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#48789 - 04/10/2004 06:00 PM |
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Hey guys, I am looking at a bitch in Germany, but obviously can't go see her. What do I ask/look for to be sure she is what I want?
http://www.germanshepherddog.de/female_working.htm
She is on this page, her name is Peddy. I am looking for a dog suitable for narcotics work and of such quality that she could be added to my breeding program if she works out.
Let me know what you guys think.
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#48790 - 04/10/2004 08:34 PM |
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sometimes it works better to describe what you are looking for and then let them match you up.
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#48791 - 04/11/2004 10:20 AM |
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I'm looking for a real working dog :-)
Looking for high prey and hunt drives. Very stable nerves and a level head. A dog that is willing to work for its handler but is capable of thinking for itself if needed. Something that would be suitable for detection or SAR work and would produce such dogs.
I am looking for a bitch between 2-4 years of age, though older would be okay if its the right dog.
But, I am looking more for insight on this bitches pedigree and how to find out if she is right for me when I cannot go see her.
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#48792 - 04/11/2004 12:26 PM |
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If you intend to add her to your breeding program, I would not buy her without going to see her work and her temperment unless you have a very strong and long-standing relationship with the kennels you are purchasing from. From the sounds of your post you may not have 100% faith in this kennels to choose your dog for you. When it deals with a breeding program, I wouldn't want to take any chances.
I also wouldn't buy her for breeding without checking into her litter mates to get a good feel if her workability is in the genes. Sometimes you can see one very exceptional dog come from a litter but if you want to breed those qualities you would want to see it in all of her litter mates as well. I've noticed that when you hear about a very good dog that usually all of it's siblings usually do very well also. I would contact owners of her litter mates and see what they have to say.
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#48793 - 04/11/2004 02:23 PM |
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Elisabeth,
In addition to the valid points brought up by Brian: it’s impossible to judge a dog by pedigree alone, especially for the purposes you intend to use your dog for. There are hundreds of equally or more impressive pedigrees out there making the right choice so much more difficult. A dog may have 10 BSP participants in its pedigree and still have genetic issues which would render it unsuitable for SAR, such as environmental sensitivity or temperament problems which can be masked by expert training.
If I were to look for a perfect SAR candidate, I would turn for advice to people who do this for a living and either breed their own stock, or use proven sources. If you are interested, PM me and I will provide you with a couple of names.
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#48794 - 04/11/2004 06:32 PM |
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i'm sorry.....once again i wasn't clear on what i meant. when i said "describe what you are looking for" i meant to the breeder. find yourself a good, ethical breeder who is known to have the sort of dog you are looking for and give them a very clear picture of what you want. they are in a much better position to match you with the right dog because they can observe the dog over a longer period of time and under different circumstances. this may require you to talk to several people to find out who they recommend as breeders. certain kennel names will come up consistently and probably certain bloodlines. an ethical breeder will even send you to someone else if they don't have what you are looking for.
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#48795 - 04/11/2004 07:42 PM |
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Oh, ok <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> That makes sense. I have been lied to before and have a hard time trusting breeders. I've gotten too many dogs that don't turn out. I doubt that I am going to import the dog simply for that fact, I'm too gunshy anymore.
I like the looks of the dog (of course not that important) and I really like the pedigree but wanted more feedback from others with more experience. According to the breeder she's just what I'm looking for, but... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> I just don't trust very many people anymore. I've learned the hard way that a lot of dog people are not ethical and I haven't quite figured out how to tell the good from the cheats in most situations.
I guess that is what I'm having trouble figuring out, if I can trust the breeder.
Anyway, I'm rambling and wasting board space. Sorry <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> .
Happy Easter everyone!
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#48796 - 04/11/2004 08:48 PM |
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Flying out to pick her up and evaluate is cheaper than buying a dog you can't use.
I am afraid that by the time I can have another dog I will be known as a puppy buyer from (you know where), but considering how much time and money I will invest, flying out to see the parents then again to pick out a pup is a small price to pay (and I am a poor college student, just don't have money to loose on another pet).
Anybody know of a breeder that lets the new owners come visit for 3 weeks while the pups are ~7-10 weeks so they can show the buyer how to imprint the pup lol?
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#48797 - 04/11/2004 09:23 PM |
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The key IMO is to know and trust who you are buying from.
A good pedigree doesn't always make a good dog ...
If you do have people in the dog biz that you know and trust, and they do not have what you are looking for at the moment, I personally would just hang tight and wait..
Nothing is worse than picking a dog up at the airport.. opening that crate door, and realising you have just spend all that money on a crapper... been there - done that - TOO many times... learnt that lesson!
I am lucky enough to have found someone that understand what I want totally. I have gotten 2 working dogs from him, totally unseen, (and one pet) and they have been everything I asked for. If I wanted something and he didn't have it, I would just hang in there till one came up. MUCH less heartache.. and wasted $$$ !!! I will never buy from anyone else again.
OTHER than finding someone trustworthy, I would have to go out there and work the dog myself..
Sight unseen nowadays is just risky as all heck - especially when it comes to the GSD.
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#48798 - 04/12/2004 11:07 AM |
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Hi Elizabeth,
I recently acquired a new pup for SAR. I am an experienced handler having just recently retired a certified GSD. I would advise you to put your trust in a kennel to pick the right pup/dog for you. The pup I bought is now 9 months old and is dynamite. He has all the elements of a great SAR dog. I couldn't ask for a better dog and with being only 9 months old he'll only get better. He is slated to start his preliminary SAR tests before one year because he is doing so well. Please send me a private email if you want more information on the kennel I used.
Karen Nesbitt
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