First off, I would like to say that Glenn Willis is one of the people of this board that I could care less about him or his opinions on this topic. I have tried to post this topic THREE DAMN TIMES and have gotten it closed twice already because of ignorant people. Glenn, you are right I, personally have not had any experience with the dogs that I have talked about on these posts. Why do you think I am posting about it, Genius? :rolleyes: If you want to get technical, fine we'll get technical. First, I would like to say that I totally respect Ed in the dog world. I truly believe that he breeds true working dogs that can be compared to anybody's in the world. I also believe that he is a super nice guy that puts free info on the web for idiods like Glenn to learn from. I am not questioning his experi

...i think that your topic got closed because you called somebody retarded???

Howard, discussed intellegently, this COULD be a good topic - i.e., the seriousness of dogs and what is actually needed for a true protection dog.

As long as you directly insult people you will get it back. Some people on the board get away with being rude and insulting but people put up with it because these people have some knowledge to back them up and people are willing to accept that to hear what they have to say. You clearly do not seem to have this experience.

You have hit a real nerve in many people though. Because of owners lacking responsibility (and I am not saying you are but go back and read about your own adventures) the GSD has a bad rap for MANY and is the target of home insurance cancellations, etc. Responsible owners of solid dogs get to pay the price for all those jokers out there who should not own a dog, any dog, and have a badd-ass GSD that terrifies entire neighborhoods.

There ARE going to be variations in agression levels and I don't know whether you breed for that or take the side of the "bell curve" from solid working lines breed for seriousness and not just sport. If I felt the need a dog solely for personal protection I would be choosing from the purely protection breeds (like a Boerbel)

I cannot answer whether or not a highly bonded dog with solid nerve and good temperament would really defend me in an altercation as I have never been in that situation -- if I had one, I would be right in there with the dog, but it is not on the top of my list of things I worry about where I live. The deterrent factor and the intellegence and compatability of these dogs with my life is enough for me.

Howard first off if your going to take the time to write about me then take the time to spell my name right! Second I don't have time this morning to comment on this, other than to say that the women on this board are smarter than you BY FAR.

Glenn

Howard, I believe you have gotten many replies, comments, suggestions, cites from other locations from some VERY intelligent and knowledgeable posters.

The ONLY thing I believe that they all have in common and that seems to rile you up, is that they are not agreeing with you. And then you begin cursing, insulting them, get the topic closed, and then start up again.

I use these boards to learn about topics involving dogs. I do NOT know everything about all things dog, I realize that, learn from others and just because they have different opinions does not put me high on a mountain above them where I am right, and their opinion is NOT ONLY not worth my reading, but they should not post. Instead of slamming your opinion on us with the 'I AM RIGHT YOU ARE AN IDIOT' type mentality, if you would remain calm, think before you post and READ WHAT WE ARE SAYING I think we could all be adults and continue these topics without locking them up. Rather than discussing the points we bring up (say cites from Ed's articles) and discuss why he is incorrect and why (from your experience) you would just go directly to slamming the poster personally. So no learning was taking place.

I am here to learn. I should not be forced to private email people because I support them. I should not be forced to private mail people cause I disagree with them. This is a BULLETIN Board where we are supposed to post topics, pass on our learning and information, and maybe change our minds a bit, or maybe open up someone else's minds to different possibilities.

Howard - Did i see you on that show 'the angriest men in America'. Thought so! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

People are always going to post replies that they think are relative to the post which may or may not be - its human nature to give your 2 cents worth, I am now <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> , Its up to you to ignore these and not attack and lock yourself into battles with these folk, your threads are interesting but when they turn into name calling and insults they just get childish and frustating. You will never stop people posting so dont try, simply reply to serious posts only, you do have the ability to ignore. Simply rise above.

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Originally posted by Tim Leigh:
Its up to you to ignore these and not attack and lock yourself into battles with these folk, your threads are interesting but when they turn into name calling and insults they just get childish and frustating. You will never stop people posting so dont try, simply reply to serious posts only, you do have the ability to ignore. Simply rise above.

Man, your right, and that is what I am trying to do. But THIS IS CRAZY. These people are crazy, and i cannot talk about my topic anywhere. PLEASE PM ME if you want to critizise me. I already know that you dont know what your talking about in regards to me or my ethics so just take the time and contact me personally if you feel the need to waste space on this board. thank you Tim for a serious post,keeping you cool, and not blowing things out of proportion.

I have yet to hear anything that is pertaining to the topic. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

I intended this thread to be about what types of dogs throw the high levels of social aggression in dogs. I know it says "social aggression" but I already have one on this so this one is intended to be about the breeding.

Nancy:
"If I felt the need a dog solely for personal protection I would be choosing from the purely protection breeds (like a Boerbel)"

Have you owned and handled one of these dogs? If not, you might want to look back at some of our threads regarding this breed and re-think your position on that. Those dogs require very high levels of training to be useful, otherwise they're more of a dangerous nuisance , at least the ones that I've trained here in the U.S. They don't do anything a good GSD/ dobe/ mal can't do, except cost twice as much, have a difficult temperment to train, and drool a bit more.

If you've owned and trained them in the past, my apologies in advance.

Break down "social aggression" into the identifiable and specific inheritable traits you want . . . .and you might get a realistic answer to your question.