Hej,

Does anybody on this board know something about the workingability of the presa dog? If so, what do you think about them. There is a kennel, red star, who seems to breed presas whit a good structure and the drives for protectiontraining. One of red stars dogs won a protection tournament arranged by dogsport magazine, and one placed 2nd in something called iron dog, hosted by chicago P.D. These dogs looks very impressive, if a person likes the mastifftype dog that still have the drives and structure to work, the presa seems like an intressting choice. But beware of all the novices and scumbags who seems to breed presas only for profit.

Regards

I own a dogo canario puppy. He about 6 months old. He is an import from the islands. So far I've been pleased with the way he is coming along. He learns quickly and is a happy worker. We are working him with the tug. He has pretty good prey drive, but is already displaying defense.

As far as temperment he is very confident and friendly. So far no dog aggression, but he is still young.

You can learn a lot from Alex about the breed. He is pretty honest and up front. If you are interested in a presa from him be prepared to spend some serious money for a pup. You can check out his BB.
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Skipper

They are just an over sized pitbull. If you like pits than you will be happy with your pera de presa canario dog.
Dave

LOL, Dr. Dave, actually they are more mastiff than terrier wouldn't you agree? These dog's are much more people aggresive than pits as they are more dog aggresive. That's not to say a pit won't bite a human and a canary dog won't attack a dog but just in general that is the way it is. You do know that it was a Canary dog that killed that in Frisco right? Unfortunately, the heat is really on with this breed right now.

There is a distinct difference between a Presa Canario and a Pitt Butt. For the entirety of the Pitt's history it has been bred for fighting or baiting. That has made the animal to a certain extent dull (JMO) and not nearly as intelligent as the herding breeds. The Canario has been bred for fighting for a much shorter time and has been crossed with mastino and pastor(shepherd/farm dog) blood, not to mention the indigenous dog that it was derived from (wich was used as a shepherd and guard dog). They have a greater level of inteligence and ability to discriminate between human behaviors. (i.e. intelligence) And contrary to popular belief they are not nearly as animal aggressive as the Pitt. Not even in the same catagory.

I have worked two Cararios and they both were just ok. I didn't like them much, but they are not overgrown Pitt Butts. Sorry Doc. . .very different animals.

I do have to say that the Island lines are more animal aggressive than the Spanish or North African ones. The two that I worked were Moraccan and Spanish lines.

There is an element of breeders here in America that breed the Presa Canario and are just wanting oversized Pitts. (the dog-dumb, getto, crack dealer, gansta element) Those dogs you see are oversized giants and look almost exactly like Pitts. They are not good representations of their breed.

First post for me...
I currently train at Red Star. I know Alex & Irina to be extremely impressive pp trainers and the Presa is the breed they prefer although they train many breeds including my Red Star GSD. We also have a dogo at training. Acts very different from the Presas. I think a little too much dog for a beginner handler like me.

Hello all,
I also have trained at Red Star with all the Presa's. Very nice dogs, social and stable. Not large Pitts at all. This kennel breeds for workability and has been quite successful I think. They mainly train in personal protection, obedience. They are not any more dog aggressive than any other dogs, and are not short fused toward any of the trainers/handlers there either. I prefer my shepard but they are nice dogs.

Dave and Bruno

There was a news 'snip' on the news tonight regarding this breed. (full story tommorrow, I believe). The 'catch' line said, "this breed was banned in Spain as it is so aggressive, yet we have breeders breeding the breed here in Canada". Doesn't sound like it is going to be too positive.

Bradar, that is the problem with bsl, when the fuse is hot from incident, it just keeps burning. This is all stemming from that idiot broad in San Francisco that couldn't control her dogs.