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#50979 - 10/23/2002 01:48 PM |
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Curious question here...
Ever see any Mastiff-like breeds, such as the English Mastiff, Bullmastiff, Newfoundland, Great Dane, etc used for protection work? SchH?
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#50980 - 10/23/2002 02:49 PM |
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Less of the more popular mastiff breeds like the Dane and bullmastiff, but I've seen a lot of the rare breeds that are protection trained.
Presa Canario, Pero de Presa Pastor, Pero de Presa Mallorquin, Alano, Cane Corso, Dogo Argentio, Neopolitan Mastiff, etc.
The first three I've seen in the flesh, one character in my protection group is a rare breed fanatic. They mostly suck. Right Ben?
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The popular breeds are basically strained of most of their protective abilities by pet and show breeding here in the good ol' US of A.
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#50981 - 10/23/2002 06:17 PM |
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So, VanCamp - you've seen a Alano Espanol in SchH? Not many hundred of them around the world, but what I have red about the breed and heard from a Spanish breeder, they are somewhat unlike most other mastiff breeds - in a positive way.
Please, tell some on the Alano in SchH. Would have been interesting to hear (just for fun :-)
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#50982 - 10/23/2002 09:42 PM |
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No I've never seen one in the flesh, nor do I think they are out there competing in Schutzhund. I saw in real life the first three.
I only know from websites that people do train them for protection.
The presa canario's I have seen in Schutzhund and also APBTs, if you consider them a mastiff breed.
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#50983 - 10/24/2002 01:36 PM |
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Hmmm, well then I would have to ask - what heppened? Can you still find these breeds suitable for this work anywhere? I know Mastiffs used to be used in war to protect us? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
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#50984 - 10/24/2002 02:10 PM |
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They have been watered down over time. I don't know though if they would've ever been ideal in PP work for most of the fans out there. They came out long before the Shepherd breeds.
If you like the these type of dogs in their appearance then my suggestion would be to get a Rottweiler, AB, Presa Canario, etc. These breeds would have more of the proper drive you would be looking for with this sort of thing.
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Also in the military, law enforcement etc., They've tried many breeds. The ones they've used have been proven more often to be a better fit into their agendas. (The Shepherd breeds)
Of course, from what I've read they still haven't seen the light on the Bloodhounds yet. lol
As far as giant protection breeds, I think the biggest one out there is the Neopolitan Mastiff. I don't know what they'd be like to work with, nor have I met anyone that has experience with them.
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#50986 - 10/24/2002 02:56 PM |
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I had an English Mastiff that I trained for Sch. No prey drive to speak of, but was quite comfortable working in defense/fight. As a result of the lack of prey drive was never sleeve-sure, but worked well on a suit. As a PP dog he had two live bites, in both instances he completely incapacitated the person in under 10 sec.
He stood 30" at the shoulder and weighed about 190 lean. Far too much work for a real PPD, but if you were looking for a deterent with defensive barking they are impressive animals.
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#50987 - 10/24/2002 03:24 PM |
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I am a GSD guy, but I really like the mastiff breeds because of their massive build and intimidating, agressive bark. I have not seen many good rottweilers. The ones I did see had some environmental problems. they were probably all from american bloodlines. I have seen some pits with nice drives and temperment. Now the Presa Canario and the Cane Corso are impressive looking dogs. They look like a 130lb. Pit on steroids! they look very intimidating. They are bred to be protection dogs in Italy. I have not had any experiece,, but I have heard they are a little nervy. They supposedly are very protective but are a bit on the sharp side. I guess that is why they make good house guardians. They bark at any little thing. And Ill tell you what, I dont think that anybody would be stupid enough to walk up in a house with a dog like the Cane Corso barking at me.
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#50988 - 10/25/2002 02:30 PM |
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I have heard of a few Leonbergers getting Sch titles. This breed is a relatively new breed developed with the use of Great Pyrenees, Newfoundlands and St. Bernards.
Most all of the big breeds lack prey drive and also have little desire to please or work for their handlers. Certainly, with that in mind, training for sports is tough enough.
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