Is there any basis to the notion that a dog will be on its best behavior while having the prong collar on, and the minute it's off...watch out? My 8 month old GSD is an angel while her prong is on, but if I just have her fur saver on she's a maniac. Will there ever come a point when she will obey/behave without the prong? Is any of this due to her age?
No ! Its up to you.And the way you train. You have to let the dog know you can get to him for correction with out the collar.
I had one that figured it out. And out came the throw chain at a distance. Up close I grabed a ear or some skin. Once they realize you are going to get them evan with out the collar Your in. Just got to change things around every once in a while or they get wise.
Ron
Janet, the e-collar was designed just for that, for control at a distance. It's like having a prong collar with an invisible leash. However, I wouldn't recommend using it at this point. I would stick to the foundation obedience for now, keeping everything on leash. The e-collar is the last step if you choose to use it. But that's how a lot of people control their dogs off leash.
I wouldn't recommend using too much force at her age anyway, I would try to keep the training as fun as possible. I would work on building focus with a ball & string before starting obedience exercises.
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If you believe the collar trains the dog and not the trainer then you will have to always have it on. But usesd correctly it is the technique, timing and consisting that trains the dog, not the collar. In other words if your training is built around the fact you got a pinch collar on the dog and you dont give your dog any reason to do the right things other than to avoid a correction then you will have to always have it on. If you apply timing, consistency, and alot of motivation and use the collar for attention getting then your dog learns to think and not rely on you to think for them. Used correctly the collar and leash become a non issue. Too many people use the pinch collar as a weapon or revenge and never learn how to use it correctly, they take one look at it and assume they know what it is for and how to use it, but they dont.It is not for punishment.
Stop making excuses for your dog and start training it!
Thanks. I use treats, also, especially during the learning phase. Actually, even though she knows some commands, I still use treats sometimes. Sometimes it's praise. I started using the prong when she could drag me down the street.
After a little obedience training, the fur saver didn't phase her. Maybe I should hold the leash at a shorter distance from her?
So, what you're saying is that even without the prong, your training is based on fear? Please tell me if I've misinterpreted something. I'm in training, too. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
If your parents grounded you when you were 12, did you thumb your nose at them and waltz out the door? No? What kept you in the house when you wanted to go out with the other kids? Whatever you want to call that - fear, respect, dominance, leadership - THAT'S what a healthy relationship with your dog should feel like. You didn't live in fear of your parents (I hope!) but you weren't ready to tell them to buzz off either. You make desireable behaviors very pleasant and rewarding for the dog; and you establish consequences for unacceptable behavior. I teach all new behaviors to the dog using positive reinforcements. Only when they are mature and they know there are pleasant consequences for compliance will I "enforce" my commands with unpleasant consequences. So yes, there is a level of respect/dominance/fear that keeps the dog in line even under the strongest of distractions, but he doesn't live in fear.
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Something is very wrong if your dog lives in fear of you.If you have relied on the power of fear to be the motivating factor in your training then you have gone in the wrong direction. The pinch collar is an attention getter not a device for punishment. You need to build a relationship with your dog. You need the dog to want to be with you.That doesnt mean that you cant establish boundaries. Make sure that your dog understands the desirable behavior first. Then you can reinforce it with corrections and rewards.If you dont have an established relationship with your dog first you have no where to back up to if the dog gets stressed.
Stop making excuses for your dog and start training it!
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