Does anyone have a site containing detailed information on pinch collars vs chokers.

topic moved here... not related to a natural diet.

If you look through the previous posts in this section, you should find more than enough information.

No sites, sorry. I do know that I have seen a dog injured very badly on a choke chain, and heard of another few. . .

Never heard of a dog being injured on a Prong. The design only allows the collar to close so far, so there is less chance of a crushing injury.

http://www.flyingdogpress.com/prong.html

Having worked with slip collars for years I have never seen or heard of a dog injured with a slip collar. I have seen dogs injured with prongs. Generally this comes from over correction or leaving the collar on too long and it wearing holes in the neck. Any collar misused will create problems. It is important to learn the proper use of any piece of equipment.

Thank you for the replies.The story is I gave a pinch collar to a friend in Australia who has now been charged by the Royal Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals(RSPCA) & I feel I most help him out.Going back a couple of years ago I had a detailed report on pinch collars vs other collars going into injuries & trauma associated with them.The % of injuries caused to dogs(during the dogs life)using chokers was Amazing something near 90% as to pinch collars something near 6%.I now have misplaced or lost this report.Prior to sending the collar to Australia I checked with there customs people & was told then & now again yesterday that to send pinch collars assembled was not allowed,But if you pull them apart & send them was allowed!Try to make sense of that.Any help would be appreciated Regards Mark

I do believe that pinch collars are illegal in the UK and Australia may follow similar laws. (Chris Jones where are u?)

If this is the case, provide all the info you want, but it still won't change the fact that he was in possession of an illegal piece of equipment. Sorry for being a wet blanket.

Sorry, my bad, it is electric collars that are 'opposed' in Oz. However, reading the RSPCA'S website, it gives dog trainers a fine line to walk on concerning dog training.
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i'm sure i am just repeating what has been said in some of the older posts on this subject, but i haven't gone back to read all of them, so forgive me if this is repetitious: if a prong collar is properly fitted to the right degree of snugness and positioned at the top of the neck, just behind the ears, there is very little possibility of injuring the dog. injuries can occur from the prong collar being too loose and riding further down on the neck, coming across the larynx. repeated injuries can actually cause an accumulation of scar tissue in this area thus effecting the dog's breathing, swallowing and vocal cords. herein lies the danger of ordinary choke chain collars. it is not possible to position them high on the neck and away from the larynx of the dog. by design, they will ride down on the neck, coming across vital parts and doing great damage each time pressure is applied. choke chains also come in contact with a greater area than pinch collars and can cut off the dogs air supply. only the ends of the prongs (blunt) come in contact with the dog's neck and so a pinch will not likely cut off the dog's air supply. just one other thing about chokers.....there is a frontwards and a backwards, depending on which side of the dog you are standing on, when pressure on the leash is released the collar will loosen or stay tight. for everyday wear the choker (or fur saver) is fine; attatch dog tags to it, easy removal for grooming, doesn't wreck the dog's coat, cheap and attractive. pinch collars are very effective whenever a quick and harmless correction is needed, but should never be "left on." <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> the idea is to have it on so you "don't have to use it." (same with the electronic) the worst abuse i ever saw with a prong collar was by a person who competes at a national level in sport and is also a regional director of schh usa. this person had sharpened the prong ends to needle-sharp points that had actually embedded themselves into the dog's neck. the training director of this group (also competes nationally) not only condoned this action, but also took part in the training of this poor animal. this dog has since gone nuts, became a skin biter and cannot be trusted. i believe he hates humans. can you blame him? (electronic was used in connection with the sharpened prong collar!) agitation collars or harnesses are the appropriate equipment for protection training. they are wide, flat and don't apply pain or pressure....the last thing you'd want to do when trying to build drive.

Hi,

just to clarify:-

I live in Australia and we are able to buy & use pinch collars, but not the prong.

A crying shame really, given the popularity of larger, powerful dog ownership over here.