Does anyone have some insight on either of these dogs, and what they may produce? I'm considering a female pup.

I'm guessing the pups will have a good amount of natural aggression via Chuligan and Ferro. Good nerves, drives via Grim. Hips might be something to consider--but nothing major, really.

Thanks Raymond. Does anyone have any specific info on Pluto?

Earl, I have a 6 month old solid black female from a Pluto/Esir z Jenive litter. She is awesome and fearless. Extreme food and prey drive. She has more drive and guts than any male pup I've ever seen. She loves people but plays extremely rough and the rougher you play the rougher she gets. She's definately going to be a dominate type female. I had her evaluated by Tom Brenneman and he was extremely impressed with her. If all goes right with her hips she's going to be my foundation bitch for future breedings. She's all I can ask for and more. She'll wear you out because she always ready for anything and everything. You can e-mail me privately @ labasal@planetkc.com for more info. I am interested in who you are going to purchase this pup from.

Glenn

Earl, I forgot to tell you that I own a 6 1/2 year old Otis/Bianca male (PREACHER). He is extremely aggressive although he has mellowed out a ton since I had him the last four years.

My Pluto female pup is not intimidated by his presence but I won't let them run together. He's too big and strong for her at this stage. I think that Ed would even be impressed with the breeding possibilities of this bitch. This bitch might have to be bred to a male that has a little less drive, in my opinion.

Glenn

Earl and Shea,

Earl, I did buy my Pluto female from Jiri. When she arrived in Kansas City she was HUGE and awesome. Ready to go and no problems with the flight, full of confidence.

PLUTO z PS is a typical son of renown stud dog CHULIGAN z PS after which he took very strong bones with strong imposing head and strong nerves. Pluto is a dog of a huge structure that does not belittles his aristocratic type. Pluto belongs to the 5th blood line that is based on former DDR branch founded by ALLI v. Granert- EX v. Riedstern - ARKO v. Grafental - TREU v. Schieferstolz - INGO z PS - VOLF z PS - EMIL z PS - CHULIGAN z PS.
The mother of Pluto is a daughter of a significant stud dog in Czech Republic - GRIM z PS who belongs to the 3rd blood line founded by KLODO Box Berg - ENO v.Haus Schucker - CHULIGAN z Bozkovstejna - ARGO Agar - BEN z Bolfu - GRIM z PS - HESTRA z PS.
PLUTO represents a typical dog bred in z Pohranicni straze (z PS) kennel with all the characteristics: mighty dog with considerable stud features, strength of bones, dark pigmentation, hard and balanced temperament, great taste for tracking and especially protection. Apart from these he has also high stud drive. Pluto started his breeding program November 16. 2002 when he became 2 years old. To date (26.1.03) he has been bred to 10 females. He shows to become a producer of strong dogs with dark pigmentation and especially strong heads.

I personally think my female pup acts more like a DOMINATE male more than a female. She is so awesome. I'm hoping her hip x-rays are good when she reaches 18 months or 2 years old because I would certainly want to use her as my foundation bitch if she continues to improve.

You sound like you have a great male pup. I'd be interested in hearing more about him and seeing pics. I also have a 7 1/2 month old Czech male out of JINOPO's stud GEP. Big difference between him and her. He's extremely laid back.

Also talk with Hanna Lee Joseph from this board.

Glenn

Anybody have any Pluto puppies in the last year or so since this thread has been inactive? I should be having a litter of Pluto pups myself in December so I'm looking for input. Derek