Aaron Crawford Webboard User Reg: 07-21-2004
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I brought my dog back to where I got him from. I saw his parents, almost got bitten by his dad again, and everything was fine.
But one thing I just can't seem to figure out.
They say to not teach you dog to out when he's young. So he's 6mo old now and LOVES to play ball. He shakes when I hold it in the air as he ca't wait to bust loose after it. Anyhow, when he brings it back, he does something and I am unsure as to try to correct him and give him commands or just let him be.
He WILL NOT let go of the ball. He'll bring it back and if you grab the ball you can lift him and the ball into the air, swing him around, etc. He hangs on to it.
So do I fight him for it until he's old enough for the out command.
Gee he sure is training you very well to play tug.
Have you done the distraction with a second ball? You have to be fast but usually they will drop ball 1 to grab ball 2 and you can yank away ball 2 before he grabs it....
What he is doing sounds pretty normal to me. Both of my dogs tried that stuff.
If your dog will not let go of the ball, even when tempted with another ball, or food, etc. it is time to start teaching the out. This is covered in the Drive, Focus, and Grip DVD, with more examples of when a dog is ready also on the Preparing the Young Dog for the Helper DVD.
There is no magic age when a dog is ready for the out, it is determined by the individual dog, the level of drive, the grip, etc. If you do not already have the Flinks videos, I would highly recommend them for you. A dog who is crazy for the ball is excellent for his method.
And no, there is no such thing as too much ball drive. If you believe you have the dog with too much, send him to me. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> I likey...
Excessive ball drive is not being able to focus because of the pressence of the ball. What you have is just a dog that wants to play tug, or a possessive dog. I taught my dog to out by holding the kong on a rope against my leg so I wasn't tugging with him. He learned that when I stopped tugging, he wasn't going to have any fun till He gave it up. I didn't use any command with it till he started to figure it out on his own. Also, when he first lets it go, DO NOT jerk it away. That will only put the dog in drive again. Move slowly, and every time he grabs it, stop moving. No compulsion, no correction, no choke out, no squeezing the mouth. You may have to stand there for a bit at first, but your dog will figure it out. Reward by giving it back. Only take it from him VERY randomly. Just bring him "into your arms" as Flinks would say. At the end of his training/play session, let him carry it back to the house, car, kennel, etc. Then offer him a food treat in exchange for it.
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