My current dating prospect has just been granted permission to play with my pup. (6 months)
The pup really digs him, makes all kinds of crazy vocalizations from the second the guy comes in the door. Boy has been warned about types of play I will not permit, and how to properly play with toys and understands that he is not to discipline the dog in any way.
But they do play, and I let them get pretty wild, some mock wrestling, biting, barking, running around, chase games. But boy does this thing I can't stand, although the dog seems to enjoy it. He kind of-bounces-but that sounds harsher than it is-he "patty-cakes" Barak's head between his two hands once Barak is all fired up. Boy is surprisingly fast and Barak can't get a bite, although he is trying very hard.
I keep thinking this is frustrating and annoying to the dog. It certainly annoys me, and I have told boy not to do it again until I hear from the experts here...
Would it be ok if the boy gives Barak a bite on a tug after he does this, or not good ever, or am I paranoid?

One thing that I've read repeatedly on this board is that the strongest bond that the dog has should be with the handler. I would be more concerned about the relationship that is being cultivated between your pup and the "boy". If your pup starts bonding stronger to him than you, it's going to make training more difficult.
The pups main source of joy should come from you and no one else. My wife loves to take MY Mal for a walk, but he looks back at me until I go in the house, then he'll heel for her. When they get back, he's all mine again. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I agree with the bond issue, and I would change that patty cake game, for the childs sake. Even if the child and pup sees this as a fun game. Its a accidents in the making. I would intervene and show the boy how to play fecth with the dog.
No bite work with the boy and dog, depending how old the boy is. I fear that the pup may bite the boy not hard but with its sharp teeth if it bites to hold and the boy snachtes away, it could leave quite a scar. So I teach him how to play with the pup, teach the pup it can nug, push and wrestle but not bite. Controlling the play is safer for the child and gives you back the control.

After playing with boy you do some tug work with the pup and you both can walk him later. Teach the boy Obedience commands and have him practice this, when he makes a mistake you step in a correct them, gaining back the control. This makes you the alpha.

My female Rottie/Pit loves my wife but will break away when I come into the room or give a command. She loves her but loves/respects me. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

The "boy" is over 18 (I hope!) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Alex, I don't know why, but a lot of guys do this head smacking thing with dogs, personally, I don't like it. Control the boy through motivational training <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Works well on the puppy man too. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I wouldn't worry too much about the vocalizations that puppy man makes when he comes over, I have a friend who's dog does this when ever she sees me, and it is just her way of saying hello to someone she likes. We have never even played, she is just vocal.

Remember Bernhard "likes wild dogs" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Also, make sure you let the boy know, NOT to play keep away type games with the puppy-man.

A most insidious and dangerous thing has been aired here in this thread.

Women talking about man training using motivational techniques.

I have a deep and unreasoning fear in my heart. . .what if my own female compainion does the same thing. . .

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I'm not too hot on other people playing "games" with my working dogs unless they realize that the dog always wins and all games should have a purpose in shaping the behavior I want. (which is them getting their butts kicked by tooth and fang)

Originally posted by VanCamp, Robert:
A most insidious and dangerous thing has been aired here in this thread.

Women talking about man training using motivational techniques.

But Robert! We do it b/c it *works*! I'm just struggling to figure out how to work the clicker into the whole thing.

Reminded me of when I was dating the dh. His first visit to my house meant visit to the brand new kennel building and intro to my workin pup. After a thorough explanation of the behaviors that should be tolerated. He did great, loved that the pup was completely insane for toys, could throw a Kong way farther than I, so naturally, I married the guy.

The applications and implications of the clicker are to hillarious to consider. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> BUT. . .

*CLICK* followed by a involuntary response that has been conditioned to the reward even if said reward is not being presented.

Similar to Pavlov's dog starting to salivate, a man's. . . uh. . . . .I think you get the idea. . . <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Better than viagra? I think we could market this idea. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

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Originally posted by alex mankowich:
Boy has been warned about types of play I will not permit, and how to properly play with toys

Hey Alex <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Did you get "boy" a special training toy yet? I couldn't resist asking. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

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Hey Alex

Did you get "boy" a special training toy yet? I couldn't resist asking.

"DARN" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

we are waiting for answers <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />