Ok, breeding two high drive land sharks has not been as easy as I thought it'd be. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> I've bred several working Rottie litters and I never had anything near this level of problems.

Male and female male both know each other well, are transported together on a near daily basis and occasionally get to play together, in a rough sort of way.
The bitch is 90% cornified on slide and her progesterone is 4.9, which I've been told is ideal. Female is a 3 year, maiden bitch.

I tried just letting them together in my fenced in area, they flirted, did the "chase-me" game, and she flagged for him fine. He got on board, did his thing, and at actual moment of insertion she turned around and ate him, which he wasn't too keen on.
I scoop up Fetz, put him on leash, and she devil expresses her displeasure with me by a pot shot to my hip ( first time she ever did that ), tearing off my pants pocket and some skin that I'd have preferred to keep.

Second attempt: Bitch is now muzzled and restrained by me. After a little flirting, the male climbs on board and goes to town with an adequate tie. He bites her neck for control and then grabs my upper arm rather firmly. He finally legs go after my shirt is fully trashed and then rebites on my chest. Ouchie.

Breeding attempt number three is planned for tomorrow. I am open to suggestion - I am considering just muzzling them both, although I don't know how that would go. Any restraint methods that I'm just not aware of here?
Breeding is not my forte, as ya'll can tell.

I had a similar problem. I have a female who won't accept a male at any time. I've already missed the breeding last year. Even when she is supposed to be in heat, she won't flag, won't accept mounting. As matter of fact, She never flagged throughout her heat. She was always very dominant bitch. When a dog try to mount her in breeding time, she will turn around bite him for real. Even if I wrap up her mouth, she will struggle so hard. It is impossible to hold her down. She will kick, twist, jump... (I'm talking about she is supposed to be in heat here) I think I'm giving up on her. What you guys think? Anybody know this type of behavior?

I don't have any breeding experience but thought that maybe you could put on some protective clothing (that won't invoke any prey behavior) and a couple of hidden sleeves? Help keep your skin in attached in the areas that are important to you.
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Sounds like a "date" in Arkansas! All that is missing is the OC spray! Sorry, I just couldn't pass that one up. Too inviting.

Been there, done this.

First off, I want to say even though the tests are saying she is there, she might not be. I went through this a couple times with my female, this most recent time the vet telling me it was too late to breed her. I let her breed when she was ready. She had 6 and then 5 pups. Mother nature knows.. With progesterone and AI (2) the first time I got 3, with only 2 survivors. So much for optimal timing.

KY the girl. She is lashing out at him because it hurts more likely then not. Ed has an article on building a breeding stand, and I have to admit there have been times when I wished I had one. You can google that on the site. At the very least muzzling her is warranted if you are getting bit.

Then, there is always AI. I will say that she probably will stand for you, but I know how nerve racking it is when you really want a litter and you think she is going to blow it. If you AI soon, you know the eggs are dropping, and in 2 days they will be ripe. Semen can live for a couple days from fresh AI. Either they will work it out in the mean time you you can repeat as necessary.

If you do not know how to do this, most vets will teach you. Getting the pipette in the right spot takes some feel.

Welcome to the wonderful world of animal husbandry. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Oh yeah, and I assume the other half of the AI should be a breeze for you.. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

You mean good ol' Fetz is going to be a daddy? (hopefully) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
The big man eater that he is.....has a soft side for the ladies?
Brandon

Will collecting from Fetz. Now THAT'S gonna be somthin fer one of Ed's videos. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Muzzles and someone they know lending a hand along with the ky should be enough. I want videos of you trying to work with the spawn of these two. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

will, i'd like to ask you a question the answer to which i think would be very educational for anyone planning a litter of working dogs (wasn't sure if i should have started a new topic thread, sorry):
for this breeding between fetz and your sharp czech bitch, what are your goals for the puppies? what is your reasoning for pairing these two? what temperaments do you hope for in the pups? what do you expect the hips ratings to be based on the ratings of fetz and the female? what structure do you hope the pups to have?
these are all just basic questions, but i'm not even half as experienced as you are in dog training...although i'm planning on breeding my female gsd next year, and i see this board as an incredible opportunity to learn from experienced people. so, if you could take a moment and explain your thoughts about this breeding and the reasons behind it, i think it would be a great educational opportunity