What is the general feeling?

Candace,
You should be a little more spacific here. The Kirschental Kennel has produced some incredible dogs...ones that are doing what the original GSD was bred to do...Herding. (yet they excel in Schutzhund as well)
http://www.kirschental.de/en/index.htm
Here is the English version.
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Brandi

There is no doubt that Karl Fuller is a great dog breeder, he seemingly has the ability to breed dogs to excel in any area that he focuses on.


I just wish he had continued to focus on the working side of the breed. It's just too bad he was lost to the dark side.


As a side note for Brandi-
It's a bit misleading to say that Kirschental dogs excel in Schutzhund. They certainly excelled in Schutzhund. But it has been over 20 years since a Kirschental dog has even participated in the BSP, yet Kirschental dogs have continued to compete in the BSZS in good numbers. . .and they all seem to have that striking Black and Red color that I love so much. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> Where are the dogs that excel in Schutzhund?(present tense)

If you would.Go to the GSD pedigree site and look up the dog..Boss vom Friebele Froi.That way you can see the Kirschental behind him...and perhaps give a comment as to "Boss's" potential workability...based upon lineage. I would greatly appreciate it. Thankyou for your time.

My department's K9 is line-bred on Kirschental lines.

I have practically no frame of reference for working dogs, but since I had to ride in front of him for the past month I think I can draw some superficial observations. He seems to be of the low-energy, high drive variety. Lays in the car and doesn't make a peep unless presented with something stimulating. Big fellow too. A lean 85 pounds.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/288163.html

The two dogs mentioned are a perfect examples of where the split goes for Kirschental, IMO.


Boss. . .has a lot of showlines between himself and the old working Kirschental dogs. This bloodline is pure german showlines if you ask me. Nothing I'd ever be interested in.(But, if you are interested in showlines that might be able to work, you can't ask for much more than a linebreeding on Uran vom Wildsteiger Land from Eiko vom Kirschental.)


Foster. . .goes back to Uwe vom Kirschental the BSP competitor in 1982!! That was a famous working breeding. Uwe and his brother Uran (2xBSP competitor) are working line dogs. Look at the photos of them and look at the bloodlines. If you look at the dogs that are behind him you see Fenga, Drigon, Racker, Bernd. . .these are dogs that have greatly contributed to the working bloodlines. Foster has a lot of working bloodlines tracing back to the 1950s in his pedigree. This is a working line dog. I really like to see Uran or Uwe in a dog's bloodline.

Why Karl Fuller decided to go the way of the Martins is beyond me. :rolleyes: He produced two BSP competitors with his own home bred working HGH bitch Fenga!! He should have stuck to it. LOL

I know I am getting off of the original basis of discussion. Thankyou Van Camp for your response.Would you also give your opinion on the lineage behind..Jana von der Prachtallee? Thank you for your time.

All showlines, yuck!!

Come on Robert, don't hold back!

Oh. . .I wouldn't want to offend. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />