In your honest opinion, how important is the registration papers for your dog? I have a 3 yo dark sable bitch whose a grand daughter of Mink. She's due to be in season around March. The guys I brought her from say that they won't give me her papers until I breed her. Should I wait or just say screw it? They want me to bred her with one of their untitled dogs who "has a good pedigree." He doesn't do protection work, he's just a large (85 lb.) pet. My dog on the other hand is an excellent dog (working on becoming dual purpose patrol and narcotics) who is extremely high driven. She's small but I understand that Mink produced a lot of small structured dogs (55 lbs.) She has very high ball drive, hunt drive and pack drive. She bites hard with a full mouth grip. She's got better drives than some males I have seen. She's not overly aggressive but has a good blend of everythinig I want. I don't want to make a brash decision and just be left in the dark but I don't want to be furious and constantly worry about it. Personally I feel that the workablility of my dog is worth far more than registering her with the AKC. I think I can order her pedigree from the AKC. I have info on a full littermate of hers if that would make a difference in getting what I need from them. Any and all opinions and suggestions are greatly appreciated.

i would think back to when you bought her, did you ask about registration when you purchased her, did they tell you that te breeding was mandatory for the papers or full registration? how old is the bitch. i wouldnt breed to the male if he hasn't been titled especially if the bitch you have is under two years of age, have the hips on both dogs been OFA'd? i would demand the papers on your bitch if they didnt tell you that this was a part of the deal when you purchased the dog, if they did, they tell you that you had to breed with "any" of their males then you really dont have a choice, especially if it is in the puppy contract.

I was told that they brought this dog and her full brother from a guy in Tennessee. She was AKC registrable and they had to get the papers from this guy. No they didn't say the breeding was mandatory however they did want a male and female from the 1st breeding. She's 3 yrs and 4 months now. My dog has not been OFA'd yet but I definately plan to do it before I breed. At least I wanted to but I need her papers. I got her when she was a year and 10 months. My dad has a dog from the same guy that he got when she was 12 weeks old and now she's I think around a year and a half. He has yet to get any papers of any kind on her. Both of these contracts were verbal. I payed $600 for my dog and my dad payed $350 for his and after this dude saw the dog and how ggod she was he charged my dad another $150. At the time all of this was going on me and this guy were good friends. We trained practically every other day if not everyday. Then he stopped calling, I couldn't reach him, then 3 months later he calls and says you owe $200 on the dog and I want it now. I pay the money and then I don't hear from him again. Should I try locating the guy in Tennessee that originally owned the dog and see if he can help.

was AKC registerable

IF you can get a hold of the papers, you can still register her- FOR AN INFLATED FEE. Honestly though, I would cut my losses at this point. From the sounds of the outfit you are dealing with the papers probably won't even be hers.

You CAN OFA a dog without papers. I did on my male when I had not recieved his papers from Belgium in time for his prelims. If you DO have them done without papers, get her tattooed or microchipped so that there is some way to verify that those are in fact the x-rays that go with that dog. The chip number or tattoo will be on the certificate.

Deanna is right, what ever papers they give you probably wouldn't be correct anyways, PM me as to who these characters are, would not want to even accidentally give them a phone call one day! I would get as many names that you know of for sure, IE.. parents, grandparents. The ones you know of for sure and I wouldn't worry about the papers but keep those names for your records, if your going to work her and she is doing great then your golden. A dog bought from these folks, I would highly consider not breeding, because the worst candidates for breeding will still on average give you one good dog, but that dog is high risk of being a poor breeding prospect. If you have a great dog from these kinds of people you got lucky, but do an awful lot of research on your dogs background, before you consider breeding this dog, and if your not planning on it, definantly forget the papers. Best wishes

I would tell them that unless they sign over the papers to you as the sole owner and have the parents DNAed with the AKC to verify the pedigree she will be spayed. They might be greedy enough about wanting pups to hand it over, but don't accept without the DNA too.