Stephan R Weber Webboard User Reg: 02-16-2004
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Patricia Gail Burnham's "Playtraining Your Dog" has some great pictures of flip finishes executed by greyhounds. It's a pretty easy book to find in the "supermarket" book stores.
I've taught the flip by first teaching the dog to find heel (sort of like Ivan B. does it), and then widening the angle so I'm coming into the dog facing it. Start moving from up close to the dog, move in fast, it's something you don't want them to think too much about. I've never had to use bait to move them into position. Probably since they know how to "find heel" before we ever start the finish.
The small and agile dogs like my old English Shepherd, my son's Terv, or my whippets and greys are pretty spectacular flippers. It looks awesome, but it's not for clumsy dogs, or ones that aren't into precision. Just my luck, most of my dogs have been obsessive about precision (but then again, I make it worth their while).
Stephen, thats an excellent link to demonstrate what a flip finish is. Watch the handlers hands, it looks to me like she is using a food reward. Her left arm comes up to her body then down behind her hip in front of her dogs face.
I use food to teach the flip. I also teach the foose position first, and use food to teach attention from there. The first dog I used this method on was a 35lb Aussie. She would jump higher than my head (6'2") when she flipped. I didn't really attempt to get height from her, but the athletic ability of the Aussies is fantastic. My GSD does it very nice, but not near the flair as the little Aussie.
Thankyou all everyone's suggestions are very imformative.John do you agree with the methods Travis and Michele have given they sound quite good and pretty easy. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
The altitude comes with speed. Speed comes from the dog knowing what it's doing. Lots of practice. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
Simon, depends on the dog. My dog does a better flip finish if I have food in my mouth to spit to him. With a ball he will still get in position but won't really get off the ground to flip. My other dog I taught to go behind me and I don't think I could retrain him to flip because he is alreay so set in his way.
John, you can retrain easily. I had a dog that was starting to lean in anticipation of the finish with the go-round. I used a different commmand and taught the military finish. It kept him sitting straight because he never knew which one was comming.
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