I know this was a stupid thing for me to do, but -
I work for an attorney. Earlier this week I had to go serve some papers. The guy had a big pit and a chow in the yard. They were both barking at me. I had a bunch of freeze dried liver in my pocket. I started throwing the liver to the dogs and speaking softly to them. The pitt immediately became my best friend. The chow didn't want me to touch him, but he wanted more treats.
I was able to walk in the yard, up to the door and serve my papers. Needless to say - the look on the guys face when he opened the door and his two dogs were following me like the knew me forever.
Will Rambeau Moderator Reg: 01-25-2003
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I'm glad you didn't get bit there Roz, since you did take a risk. But I have to say - that is a better illustration that most that I've heard! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
i think that a large number of people would be very suprised to know that their dog wouldnt protect if it came down to it. they also wouldnt proctect if their was food involved, haha, especially good treats like that...
My husband was pretty annoyed with me. His take was - you don't know those dogs aren't trained to attack. I was banking on them not being trained. Besides, they lost all defensiveness when the treats were handed out. I've been around a few dogs that I wouldn't have done that with. One was my own dog way back when. She was a nasty defensive fear biter. There was no way I would have entered the yard with her if I were a stranger. She would have bit you before running off.
Did you guys ever see the movie "Red Dragon"? The "Silence of the Lambs" prequel. It was pretty cool how Hannibal Lechter entered the house and psyched out the german shepherd and the dog ran off.
I would watch out, though. Someone may have read the old Koehler method of training guard dogs to wait until the intruder are over the fence - At least I seem to have remembered reading how he'd teach them to stay back from the fence until the intruder got close enough!
I'll have to look at his book again.. Mind you, I don't use if for training advice, I bought it as a curiousity piece!
Chris Duhon Webboard User Reg: 08-14-2004
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The pitt immediately became my best friend Thats typical of most pitbulls. As someone who has been around them my whole life, they are BY NATURE friendly to strangers.
She was a nasty defensive fear biter. There was no way I would have entered the yard with her if I were a stranger. Roz that would have been the yard to go into with a dog like that. Odds are in your favor that the dog would be in avoidance and not bite unless cornered. Fear biters prefer to avoid conflict, they act tough (sometimes) but if you approach and they will continue to back up barking with all hackles straight up. A dog like that will only bite out of fear when it feels it cannot avoid the situation (as in no where to run). JMO
Alan - I was confident entering the yard as both dogs were close and sniffing me. The pitt became a squirming fool. The chow became undefensive in his body posture. If they were even so much as standoffish, I would not have gone in the yard. Lead me to believe highly unlikely they were trained attack dogs.
Chris - You would think my ex-fear-biting dog would run. But she had bitten strangers who had entered the yard previously. She had even gone around me to try to bite someone before. Every time she ever bit or tried to bite someone, she was never cornered. She always initiated the advance. What a nut.
IMHO a "complete" PPD dog should not accept food from strangers nor should they eat them off of the ground. I realize the dogs in your scenario were probably just pet/watch dogs and weren't likely trained for much of anything. I only mention this because food can be used against one's PPD dog and I certainly wouldn't want it used against mine, who would also fail because I haven't been strict about it.
On the other hand, I've not trained my dog to protect my property. I couldn't care less about it. The only thing I want him protecting is my family and I. The stuff can be replaced, but not if we get our rear-ends sued into oblivion because my dog bit the neighbor guy who was picking up my newspaper, etc.
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when he opened the door and his two dogs were following me like the knew me forever.
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