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#77945 - 07/04/2005 05:07 PM |
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My dog is a housepet. She knows several silly tricks, such as shake, roll-over, and high-five. My question: does one correct the dog when they do not do what is asked? It seems harsh to me, but the dog doesn't know what is a trick and what is not. She does have all the basic commands down and is corrected (with a prong) for not obeying. She is well-trained for a beagle.
I apologize if this question has already been asked and answered. Searched the archives but couldn't find it. Thanks.
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Re: corrections and tricks
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#77946 - 07/04/2005 05:58 PM |
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This is a tough one to answer with the info given. I would say that if you have proofed this in several places with distractions then yes, if not, then you need to go back and work on the different places and under distractions until it is solid everywhere. Then the correction is appropriate.
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#77947 - 07/04/2005 11:51 PM |
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I may sound harsh but a command is a command!
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#77948 - 07/05/2005 01:25 AM |
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And a lack of understanding is a lack of understanding. Dogs learn situations and patterns first. Take the dog out of either one, and you have instant confusion.
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#77949 - 07/05/2005 05:40 AM |
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Jeff, has a point. Taking it to the correction side may cause resistance and stress causing the dog to not want to follow through with the trick. And depending on the trick, some can be pretty hard to manipulate with force. Having said that, a simple correction for inattention and then asking the dog to do the trick can help. If the distraction in the environment is too high then you must go back and strengthen the pattern (the trick, behavior, whatever) in lower distracting places first.
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#77950 - 07/05/2005 05:47 PM |
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For me, Cute Dog Tricks are for fun and entertainment. No ones life depends on that "Get the beer outta the frig trick" Unless your getting a contract with Walt Disney, I would not do correction for a failed trick. Bolting out the door or gate however will incur the rath of his god <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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#77951 - 08/01/2005 03:10 AM |
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It's a beagle. Correct it..lol
I agree and I agree. Any dog has to be taught and prove that it knows what is expected before "corrections" are given. In your case with the tricks, I wouldn't make a federal case out of it, how bout just a simple "no" as a correction? That's fair isn't it?
I pointed this out to my wife the other day. Our lab performs his little tricks perfectly and enthusiastically EVERY single time I ask, and he's never been corrected for not doing it or messing up.
Don't get me wrong here, I am in the camp that believes corrections are a must, just maybe not a prong or ecollar for tricks.
I've only ever trained 1 dog to do a handful of tricks. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
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#77952 - 08/01/2005 11:57 AM |
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Anyone that can get a Beagle to do anything other than sleep, eat and poop has my admiration.
My 15 y/o Beagle, who is now just a snoring doorstop, was so stubborn when he was young that even hard corrections did not phase him. Consider the breed...Beagles tend to do what THEY want to do WHEN they want to do it.
Your dog knowing what's a trick and what's not is not the issue. Your dog doing what YOU tell it to do is the REAL issue. If you tell your dog to do something and it "chooses" not to, you have a control/dominance problem, IMO. You should be confident knowing your dog will respond to ALL of your commands, not just pick and choose what she feels like doing that day.
(I know, I know...tell that to the ol' doorstop, Kate. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> )
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#77953 - 08/02/2005 04:46 PM |
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Thanks for all the suggestions--I've started to use a "watch me" command and correct for not paying attention. Her tricks are so woebegone when I don't have food, though. . . when I have a bit of hot dog, she can give me a high five when my hand is held level with my head. When I don't. . . it looks like she's infirm and has arthritis. Saddest jump in the world. But using "watch me" has helped a lot, and she does respond to the letter if not the spirit of the command. Thanks again--
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#77954 - 08/02/2005 08:04 PM |
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For me, Cute Dog Tricks are for fun and entertainment. No ones life depends on that "Get the beer outta the frig trick" Unless your getting a contract with Walt Disney, I would not do correction for a failed trick. Bolting out the door or gate however will incur the rath of his god
What he said!!
I am often very very strict with my dogs, but never for tricks. Your pooch isn't going to die if it doesn't roll over or wave.
A verbal correction in a normal tone of voice is adequate followed by trying the trick again.
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