Can you have a complete training systems as some do not to name names. Start to finish all e collar or is it better to use others such as leerburg obedience. I am keeping in mind that all dogs have different personalities. But from what I have seen these particular dogs seem to do well and love it.

they also use e collar for behavior training.

thank you for your response in advance
ps I don't know if it is taboo to mention the person I am specifically taling about

Daniel aside from all dogs being different, one thing you will find is, no two trainers are alike. Maybe close and agree on a lot, but their undoubtably will be somethings they do differently by choice. With that said, I personally don't believe in E-collar from start to finish. I work extensively with the good ole fashion collar and leash, then the ecollar comes on to polish things up and give me that invisible leash when I'm ready for off leash work or tweak some behaviors. E-collar training will probably vary even more so from person to person. Though some basic fundamentals will not change. How your dog reacts to the e-collar is all based on how you present the collar to the dog. For me the E-collar isn't the tool I use, it is one of many tools I have in my box, based on my dog there are times I use it and times I don't. I use it as just another tool not a magical item. Good luck

one more question. Let say you use e collar to brush up or proof your dog off leash. would the e collar always stay on the dog or how would you teach the dog to obey with no e collar

thanks for the info that helps alot.

just trying to learn alot.

I’m one of those who starts with the Ecollar and uses it throughout my training. I teach basic OB with it and then use it through the training and proofing phase. Most people who use it do so only after the dog has learned the basics. There's nothing wrong with that approach and I used to do it that way, but I found that I get much faster and longer lasting results by using the Ecollar to start with.

As to what trainer to use I have a general caveat. Ask the trainer if he uses high level stim or low level stim. If he says that there's no such thing as high or low level stim, get away from him as fast as you can. That's one of the stupidest things an Ecollar trainer can say but it's common for trainers who have been trained by one school to say. Why do you suppose that Ecollar makers put numbers on their dials? The best answer is that "I use the lowest level of stim that the dog can feel."

Take a look at the articles on my website for some info on how I prefer to use the tool. Your question is answered in the article on "Myths." The short answer is that it's up to you. If you realize that your dog can disobey a command anytime in his life and you want to have the ability to correct him when he does, keep it on him. If you participate in some sport that requires that the dog compete while "naked" there's an article on my site that talks about how to wean it away.

Lou, could you explain how to teach a competition heel with only an ecollar? Thanks, Scott

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Lou, could you explain how to teach a competition heel with only an ecollar?

Scott are you talking about what is commonly called "attention heeling" where the dog is looking up at the handler? Or are you referring to the precise position required for competition or both?