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Chrystene Weller wrote 10/08/2005 03:52 AM Bad breeder? #86340 - 10/08/2005 03:52 AM
Chrystene Weller Webboard User Reg: 10-05-2005 Posts: 3 Loc: Offline	What do you think about this pit bull breeder? If you ask me, his dogs look deformed and crippled... http://www.woodspits.com
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jeff oehlsen wrote 10/08/2005 05:19 AM Re: Bad breeder? [Re: Chrystene Weller ] #86341 - 10/08/2005 05:19 AM
jeff oehlsen Webboard User Reg: 11-20-2002 Posts: 1303 Loc: Colorado Offline	I think that anyone breeding pitbulls at this time in history has lost their mind. They are nice dogs, but not nearly good enough to deal with all the crap that owning one would entail. Besides the fact that we are talking about a breed thats sole purpose for being created was to fight other dogs and to NOT be aggressive to humans. I am smarter than my dog, your just not.
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Valerie Tietz-Kelly wrote 10/08/2005 06:06 AM Re: Bad breeder? [Re: jeff oehlsen ] #86342 - 10/08/2005 06:06 AM
Valerie Tietz-Kelly Webboard User Reg: 07-26-2005 Posts: 566 Loc: NJ, USA Offline	Quote: I think that anyone breeding pitbulls at this time in history has lost their mind. They are nice dogs, but not nearly good enough to deal with all the crap that owning one would entail. Besides the fact that we are talking about a breed thats sole purpose for being created was to fight other dogs and to NOT be aggressive to humans. Jeff - I have talked to quite a few of them, they do what they do with a passion I see in you when you talk about your dog and how and why he does what he does. To these breeders NOW is the time to stay the TRUE course, keep the APBT true to standard, function and temperment......NO EXCEPTIONS, that is why the Kennel posted in the original thread would not be looked on favorably by good Pit Bull breeders. I say this with the utmost respect as the owner of that kennel is not here to defend themselves, another thing I learned from conversing with good Pit Bull breeders. It is my opinion that the dogs represented by that kennel are not APBTs but a mixed breed straying away from what the Pit Bull was meant for, not healthy, not wise....a BIG NO NO, my 2 cents. Val
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jeff oehlsen wrote 10/08/2005 06:22 AM Re: Bad breeder? [Re: Valerie Tietz-Kelly ] #86343 - 10/08/2005 06:22 AM
jeff oehlsen Webboard User Reg: 11-20-2002 Posts: 1303 Loc: Colorado Offline	So you would go back to using the pit as a breeding tool for these dogs? Why do you think these dogs held true for so long? Only recently did the nutties get a hold on them and start breeding for colors. Unfortunatly, the pit was a great tool for breeding these dogs. Technically, a pit isn't "game" until he proves himself in the ring. See how much crap this can stir up? Where do you think these solid temperaments came from? If a pit was a nut and couldn't be dealt with after a fight, dead. People aggressive? dead. Nervy? dead in the ring. Not dog aggressive? dead. No drive? dead. Who wants to deal with this? They are out there, but we call them animal abusers. Too much crap to deal with I think. And, no matter how passionate those breeders think they are, their dogs came from pit dogs. Can't test a dog like you can in the ring. So unless they are doing that, which I am not advocating, what is the point? Messy, Messy, Messy. I am smarter than my dog, your just not.
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Valerie Tietz-Kelly wrote 10/08/2005 06:35 AM Re: Bad breeder? [Re: jeff oehlsen ] #86344 - 10/08/2005 06:35 AM
Valerie Tietz-Kelly Webboard User Reg: 07-26-2005 Posts: 566 Loc: NJ, USA Offline	Quote: So you would go back to using the pit as a breeding tool for these dogs? Why do you think these dogs held true for so long? Only recently did the nutties get a hold on them and start breeding for colors. Unfortunatly, the pit was a great tool for breeding these dogs. Technically, a pit isn't "game" until he proves himself in the ring. See how much crap this can stir up? Where do you think these solid temperaments came from? If a pit was a nut and couldn't be dealt with after a fight, dead. People aggressive? dead. Nervy? dead in the ring. Not dog aggressive? dead. No drive? dead. Who wants to deal with this? They are out there, but we call them animal abusers. Too much crap to deal with I think. And, no matter how passionate those breeders think they are, their dogs came from pit dogs. Can't test a dog like you can in the ring. So unless they are doing that, which I am not advocating, what is the point? Messy, Messy, Messy. I am knowledgable of and agree with ALL you have said. But the gaming done legally today must suffice for proving some yet not all the deminsions of game once proven by legacy dogmen and dogwomen. I certainly don't think a good game dog should be a tool to breed non-APBTs, which is what I see when I look at that kennel. My point being because you CANNOT prove a dog by fighting anymore, even more dillagence and scrutiny is required....and absolutely MORE DEDICATION because as you say messy, messy, messy but to these folks SO WORTH IT!!!!! That has to be a good thing. Val
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jeff oehlsen wrote 10/08/2005 06:40 AM Re: Bad breeder? [Re: Valerie Tietz-Kelly ] #86345 - 10/08/2005 06:40 AM
jeff oehlsen Webboard User Reg: 11-20-2002 Posts: 1303 Loc: Colorado Offline	Dedication is a good thing. But the tools of the past are what created all the things that people like about the pitbull. Without those tools it is speculation. And the breeder whose link you provided is a tool of a different sort. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> I am smarter than my dog, your just not.
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Valerie Tietz-Kelly wrote 10/08/2005 06:56 AM Re: Bad breeder? [Re: jeff oehlsen ] #86346 - 10/08/2005 06:56 AM
Valerie Tietz-Kelly Webboard User Reg: 07-26-2005 Posts: 566 Loc: NJ, USA Offline	Quote: Dedication is a good thing. But the tools of the past are what created all the things that people like about the pitbull. Without those tools it is speculation. And the breeder whose link you provided is a tool of a different sort. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> We are in violent agreement, with one exception...I did not and would not ever provide that link as an APBT breeder link because in my mind they are not breeding APBTs, they are IMHO doing the Pit Bull breed a grave disservice, and I think they should be called on it. I'm not sure what that breeder is cooking up but it is not an APBT and they should be held accountable for what ever they do pass on to the public. Val
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jeff oehlsen wrote 10/08/2005 07:08 AM Re: Bad breeder? [Re: Valerie Tietz-Kelly ] #86347 - 10/08/2005 07:08 AM
jeff oehlsen Webboard User Reg: 11-20-2002 Posts: 1303 Loc: Colorado Offline	It does look like they slapped a pit head on an english bulldog. But look at their marketing strategy. This is what most pit owners I have ever talked to like. Yuck. I am smarter than my dog, your just not.
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Valerie Tietz-Kelly wrote 10/08/2005 07:19 AM Re: Bad breeder? [Re: jeff oehlsen ] #86348 - 10/08/2005 07:19 AM
Valerie Tietz-Kelly Webboard User Reg: 07-26-2005 Posts: 566 Loc: NJ, USA Offline	Quote: It does look like they slapped a pit head on an english bulldog. But look at their marketing strategy. This is what most pit owners I have ever talked to like. Yuck. You are always crackin me up <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />, but most I've talked to wouldn't touch those dogs with a 10 foot pole, and again I agree YUK!!!! No disrespect intended to the breeder just my personal preference. I wish they would call them Big Bullys or something like that, NOT an APBT. Val
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jeff oehlsen wrote 10/08/2005 07:48 AM Re: Bad breeder? [Re: Valerie Tietz-Kelly ] #86349 - 10/08/2005 07:48 AM
jeff oehlsen Webboard User Reg: 11-20-2002 Posts: 1303 Loc: Colorado Offline	Crippledsmallpenisweirdheadbullys maybe. Or how about JUNK? I am smarter than my dog, your just not.
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