I've seen both of these used during training and I was wondering what anyone's thoughts were on each of them? My trainer has always used the wide collar because he feels the dog will target the sleeve better. The harness seems to have some wiggle room due to the shoulders being restrained and not the neck. I think the harness would be a heck of alot more comfortable for the dog. Any thoughts?
Use what is more comfortable for your dog... it really depends. On my dog I used harness only for pulling my little brother on sleds and on my bitch I had to use harness only. Good luck.. observe your dog, If he chokes himself even when using wide collar, harness could be the solution. Try both and let the dog decide <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
That is what I would do, maybe somebody has more experience with this.. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
Mike J Schoonbrood Webboard User Reg: 04-30-2005
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I personally like the harness, I think it's just preference - sometimes moreso the handlers than the dogs. I don't think most dogs care when they get really worked up, if you decide on a flat collar and your dog doesn't perform as well as on a harness, then go with the harness.
When I first started as a K9 Handler I saw a dog slip out of a harness that wasn't fitted properly . Not a good thing for the decoy . I prefer the flat collar when training PSD's in bitework for this reason . The flat collar is easier to inspect to make sure it's on properly , wasting less time and allowing more time for training .
We do use harnesses if a dog is choking themselves but they are a pain in the butt IMO . I too haven't seen a dog's targeting affected by a flat collar .
We prefer to use a collar. Couple of reasons. Targeting is improved for the younger dogs. As well, we like to do bungee work, on a harness the dogs can (and have) gone flying backwards and land on their backs after a miss. Whereas the collar tends to turn them around after a miss on the bungee.
Targeting is the decoys job, not the dog, not the handler.
When working a dog on a bungee with a harness or a collar, there should be someone on the line behind the dog to reduce the tension so the dog doesn't fly backwards.
Targeting in ring is not so important as schutzhund. The dog needs to know how to get to the decoy, and not get too hung up on a particular spot to bite. I have seen good dogs get screwed this way, the decoy kept that target area out of reach. The dog had been taught to target that area, and did not get to bite. This is a major factor why Sch3 dogs have so much trouble if they attempt ring.
This is why Ring rules. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
Howard Knauf Webboard User Reg: 09-24-2003
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Jeff,
Your ring bias is beginning to show <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
Howard, it is time for you to join the revolution. I, as the leader of the free world ringsport revolution, call upon all (brilliant) like minded people to put down their girlie little sleeves, put on a suit and FEEL THE JOY!!!!
The revolution will not be televised. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
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