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#90007 - 11/21/2005 11:39 AM |
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can any one answer this? can a 17 week old doberman still have its ears cropped with the assurance that they will hold
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#90008 - 11/21/2005 12:45 PM |
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Hello,
Cropping is usually done at 2 or 3 months of age. You are at the limit. You can never be sure the ears will stand. It is not a natural thing, its plastic surgery and can go wrong.
In my opinion you can still crop the ears if you really think it is necessary. What's most important is that the vet has experience cropping. It is also a must that somebody who knows how to tape the ears shows you how to do it, at least a few times and then you do it under his/her supervision. It is a process that will take many weeks after the surgery. It all depends on the kind of crop you do. Longer ears will take longer to stand, while short ears will stand easily. Very long ears are difficult to stand and only should be done by experienced breeders who are going to take care of the taping for months until they are perfect, otherwise they will never stand.
In your case, with the dogs age and your luck of experience, I would go for a medium to short ear that will stand easily, but that's your decission.
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Pedro
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#90009 - 11/21/2005 01:50 PM |
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" is not a natural thing, its plastic surgery and can go wrong. "
Sorry, Pedro, but, IMO, it is unnecessary mutilation, which I thought was illegal in the EU, if not, unfortunately, elsewhere <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
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#90010 - 11/21/2005 02:44 PM |
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Just noticed this post, and yes in Europe cropping ears and tail is illegal now. Cropped dogs are not allowed to compete in shutzhund exams en/or competions, and probably in other fields of sport too. Why not just try tapeing them?
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#90011 - 11/21/2005 02:51 PM |
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There are still countries they let people crop ears and tails... but yes you ar right they are not allowed to attend trials unless cropped before the law came out. And it has been 7-10 years in some EU countries
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#90012 - 11/22/2005 12:48 PM |
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Dear Roger,
It is illegal in most EU countries. Italy and Spain still allow it, although many vets don't do it anymore. Also the eastern European countries allow it. Some breeders do it themselves. They do the best crops.
I know a few people in Spain who didn't crop their dog's ears, but then they are working dog people. 99% of the Dobermanns are still cropped here. I guess in a few years this will change.
Do I like cropping? No. The dog looks better, but as you say it is not nesessary. I remember when the breeder of my last Dobermann cropped the ears of her litter. I would have prefered not to crop my dog's ears, but then it was a must if I wanted the dog. I had no choice. I spent two months travelling 120 miles to get her ears taped and two more months using other "techniques" to get them to look perfect. Believe me that was the last dog I will ever have with cropped ears, not just because of the hassle, but mostly because of the suffering the dog has to go trough just for the looks.
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Pedro.
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#90013 - 11/22/2005 02:01 PM |
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Thanks, Pedro, I am glad to hear you don't favour this practice.
IMO it looks completely unnatural and makes a dog appear 'savage' - presumably this is what some owners want <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
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#90014 - 11/22/2005 03:26 PM |
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As a general rule, I don't think cosmetic surgery is a good thing, but at the same time, I don't feel strongly enough about it one way or the other to support legislation about the subject. People get cosmetic procedures done all the time. Is it healthy? Maybe not, but there doesn't seem to be much harm in it either.
To me, a Doberman looks totally different without cropped ears and a docked tail. Boxers look better with floppy ears and a docked tail, and Great Danes look best with cropped ears. Having said that, I wouldn't take a dog to a vet to have a cosmetic procedure done. But outlawing that type of procedure is about the same as outlawing circumcision in my opinion.
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#90015 - 11/22/2005 05:36 PM |
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The differences are that people choose to have cosmetic surgery, dogs have it imposed on them, and circumcision is usually done for reasons of religion or hygiene.
I can understand, to some extent, tail-docking for practical reasons, but cutting ears just to make 'em 'look better'? I don't think so.
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#90016 - 11/22/2005 06:37 PM |
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You're right. Ear cropping is primarily cosmetic. But in the real world, most people would agree that looks count for something. Cropped ears on Dobes and Great Danes both look more like a serious guard dog, and less like a goofy, good natured family pet. As most people would probably agree, just having an intimidating looking dog is enough to ward off many/most would be burglars or attackers. And probably to a lesser extent, floppy ears are more likely to get snagged or bitten by other dogs. I have 3 that like to play rough and my female boxer with natural ears is constantly getting her ears pulled on. They're all play fighting, so her ears have never been injured, but...
I totally agree that it's unnecesary and probably quite painful to the dog. But in the grande scheme of things, I don't think it's that big of a deal and think there are plenty bigger fish to fry before that floats to the top of the list of priorities in the humaine treatment of animals.
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