I think I'm gonna go take the dog for a walk.

I'll try not to shoot anything.

Tammy,
That's a good question.
The worst case scenario is when both dogs fighting suddenly turn the fight onto the trainer, there is then a real possibility of serious injury or death - that's the only situation that I've known that a trainer had to kill a dog ( once in the U.S., and once overseas, and both times the trainer still had pretty serious injuries ).

His spirit is hovering around them Will, bet on it.

 Quote: aaron myracle

Maryland dog law:

11-505. When dog killing permitted

Any person may kill any dog which he sees in the act of pursuing, attacking, wounding or killing any poultry or livestock, or attacking human beings whether or not such dog bears the proper license tag required by these provisions. There shall be no liability on such persons in damages or otherwise for such killing.

That is a great law, but far from "stand-alone". No one else would have been able to stay with-in these guide lines, but one of the 4% of civilians that can CCW in the state of MD, or someone with a badge.

Meaning, you can not "kill" a dog doing the things in 11-505 with a stick. You can not beat the dog bloody until it dies. It would be considered cruelty to animals. I would dare to say that you could not stab the dog to dead, or hang it from a tree. The dog has to die quick and with in the realm of reason.

I think what people are trying to say, or at least I am. Is that the dog was shot because the person that claims they were assaulted had a firearm. He abused his powers, by being a above the law badge carrier with out taking the necessary steps to try to defuse the situation with out deadly force. From what I read he skipped plan A and B and went strait to plan C.

I have read nothing at all that shows that the situation at hand could not have been resolved any other way then to use a fire arm and deadly force.

The only one at fault here based off what I have read is the guy that had his gun in a family park area and was ready to use it at the drop of a dime, knowing the off leash park he was walking into with dogs running free.
Say what you will, but I am sorry. That officer planed on shooting something from the get go. Probably every day of his life he thinks about situations he can put himself in to use his weapon. You dont get conferable enough to do something this guy did in a random, spur of the moment, bit of time at a dog park over two dogs fighting.

This guy is a stone cold killer. He would shoot you over a comment you made to his wife, or an argument at a bar. He just has the personality for it.
He also carries his gun in family parks while off duty. So, it seems he spooks easy, has no self confidante and is paranoid. As a result he probably has a god complex and feels the need to carry his weapon because it give him the power he lacks in the basic fundamentals of life.

I really hope this guy gets to a shrink. Before this guy gets comfortable enough to shoot his wife, or the guy down the street.

But, on the same page. There are people out there that just is fueled to kill one another. And on the plus side the US Government has seen that and they have taken these people, given them jobs with cool little titles, put them in some green woodzy cloths and sent them to the middle east to blow each other up for minimum wage. LMFAO!

Buy GLOCK and you too can be a god.

My 2 pennies.

David - your comments are approaching slander, consider this a Mod Warning and shut up* now*. The site owner will deal with this.

Will Rambeau
Moderator

Dave

My web forum is a dog training forum. I strongly suggest that you keep your posts to constructive dog training or you will not be posting here again. I dont have time for this BS - and what you're posting is BS.

This is the one and only warning I will give you - either zip it or take a hike. You make one more stupid post like the one above and it will be the last post you make here.

I am questioning if I should not just block you right now and not waste time and brain cells.

I see you live in Warrens WI - thats the only reason you're not gone. So ONE MORE DUMB COMMENT- ONE MORE STUPID POST and you're gone!!!

Ed Frawley

 Quote: dave ferguson

That is a great law, but far from "stand-alone". No one else would have been able to stay with-in these guide lines, but one of the 4% of civilians that can CCW in the state of MD, or someone with a badge.

Meaning, you can not "kill" a dog doing the things in 11-505 with a stick. You can not beat the dog bloody until it dies. It would be considered cruelty to animals. I would dare to say that you could not stab the dog to dead, or hang it from a tree. The dog has to die quick and with in the realm of reason.

I think what people are trying to say, or at least I am. Is that the dog was shot because the person that claims they were assaulted had a firearm. He abused his powers, by being a above the law badge carrier with out taking the necessary steps to try to defuse the situation with out deadly force. From what I read he skipped plan A and B and went strait to plan C.

I have read nothing at all that shows that the situation at hand could not have been resolved any other way then to use a fire arm and deadly force.

The only one at fault here based off what I have read is the guy that had his gun in a family park area and was ready to use it at the drop of a dime, knowing the off leash park he was walking into with dogs running free.
Say what you will, but I am sorry. That officer planed on shooting something from the get go. Probably every day of his life he thinks about situations he can put himself in to use his weapon. You dont get conferable enough to do something this guy did in a random, spur of the moment, bit of time at a dog park over two dogs fighting.

This guy is a stone cold killer. He would shoot you over a comment you made to his wife, or an argument at a bar. He just has the personality for it.
He also carries his gun in family parks while off duty. So, it seems he spooks easy, has no self confidante and is paranoid. As a result he probably has a god complex and feels the need to carry his weapon because it give him the power he lacks in the basic fundamentals of life.

I really hope this guy gets to a shrink. Before this guy gets comfortable enough to shoot his wife, or the guy down the street.

But, on the same page. There are people out there that just is fueled to kill one another. And on the plus side the US Government has seen that and they have taken these people, given them jobs with cool little titles, put them in some green woodzy cloths and sent them to the middle east to blow each other up for minimum wage. LMFAO!

Buy GLOCK and you too can be a god.

My 2 pennies.

WOW! Had Will (ETA and Ed...)not said anything... I am very offended by 90% of this as the wife of a police officer.

Anyway, to the topic of the post, it is really easy to Monday morning quarterback situations like this. NONE of us was there and are making huge assumptions about the situation. The truth is probably somewhere between the two stories.

I feel bad for the owner of the Husky that wasn't even there to attempt to control her own dog. That would break my heart, and I bet that she is second guessing letting her brother take the dog to the park that day.

Bottom line for me, the "guardian" of the dog was unable to call the dog back while it was involved in a "tussle". Had he had control of his dog, nothing would have happened. Did the DOD officer over react? Probably, but we weren't there to really know...

One more reason not to go to the dog park!

I still feel for the huskies owner...

Edited by JessicaKromer (08/05/2010 10:40 PM)
Edit reason: ETA

I might get flack for this, but I think the guy who shot the dog was completely, totally and unquestionably wrong.

Dog parks are a terrible idea. If you have never been to one the set up is that you come in through a double gate. Almost every dog in the park will swarm you and your dog, rank behaviors start almost immediately. Even before you get in the park there is potential for a serious fight if you have a dog with same sex, dominance or fear issues.

I may be wrong but if the owner of the GSD kept his dog on leash I would suspect there is a chance that he knew that his dog might get into trouble at the gate.

Basically every good place to bring your dog in the entire Greater Boston area is like an unofficial dog park. Dogs are supposed to be leashed but nobody actually does. When I take my dog to these places I assume the risk.

I have no problem whatsoever verbally correcting someone else's dog. I would kick a dog or even whip it with a brass leash clip no problem. Killing a dog for ranking is crazy. Its what they do.

"Tussles" do happen .A knowledgable dog owner can prevent them by stopping it before it starts 99% of the time. IME most dogs can easly be warned off with a "Hey!" followed by a "knock it off..." .

Maybe because the people on this board are used to super tough dogs we lose sight of the fact that the average pet dog can be scared off with a stamp of the foot and a "Boo!"

Just tonight I took my dog swimming at the beach. Some dufus let his lab come over to us.He seemed to be benevolent in his approach so I let them sniff, the lab tried to mount her I gave an "EHH!" and stepped towards him. He backed off and ran back to his owner.

Crisis averted.

The thought of killing a dog in a public space, where you know there are off leash dogs, as a first line of defense is crazy.

In the event of a real serious brutal attack I could see shooting one of the dogs if there was absolutely no other way to break it up. Other than that I think its nutty.

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 Quote: Dave Ferguson

But, on the same page. There are people out there that just is fueled to kill one another. And on the plus side the US Government has seen that and they have taken these people, given them jobs with cool little titles, put them in some green woodzy cloths and sent them to the middle east to blow each other up for minimum wage. LMFAO!

Buy GLOCK and you too can be a god.

My 2 pennies.

I signed off but had to sign back on to say Dave, you are only here to post your crap because of the men and women willing to fight, for close to minimum wage, to protect even your stupid ass. I apologize to the good folks on LB, but this guy pisses me off big time. Go find another forum Dave.