Natalie Rynda wrote 10/09/2013 03:51 PM Re: How to know when a dog knows a command [Re: steve strom ] #383956 - 10/09/2013 03:51 PM
Natalie Rynda Webboard User Reg: 10-01-2013 Posts: 343 Loc: nyc Offline	Quote: steve strom Taking them in stride, to me sounds like he's ignoring them. If he's still pulling till he chokes on a prong, I think its because he's figured out that if he pulls hard enough to have a tight leash, the prong isn't anymore uncomfortable then any flat collar. A correction with a prong is a quick pop and release that interrupts something. If the leash is tight, what you're probably doing is just jerking him around and that could be another reason he's pulling like he does. Its all related. yeah, that's what i meant, he's not holding them against me. that's what i'm worried about. Ed said that if you have a soft dog you can mess them up with a correction. i don't know if my dog is soft and i probably didn't correct hard enough but he didn't seem all that affected. and yes, that's whats happening with the pulling. i'm going through the archives right now to find ideas on that
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Natalie Rynda wrote 10/09/2013 03:53 PM Re: How to know when a dog knows a command [Re: Wendy Lefebvre ] #383957 - 10/09/2013 03:53 PM
Natalie Rynda Webboard User Reg: 10-01-2013 Posts: 343 Loc: nyc Offline	Quote: Wendy Lefebvre Prongs can actually AMP up a dog and make his reactivity worse. You really have to know what you're doing to use a prong properly and the way it was meant to be used. It's a great tool in the right situations. If you try to pop the dog at the wrong time all you're going to do is rile him up even more, which to me, sounds like thats what's already happening. yes, i know that you can put a dog in drive by popping the prong a few times and i'm sure that's what's happening, i just feel so helpless sometimes that i do it anyway. i mean it then looks like i'm doing something lol and not just standing there. i'm embarassed when he does this to other dogs and even worse kids or people. so at that point i'm ready to do anything to make him stop. that's another reason why i'm researching like this. i must know what to do in a situation before it happens, otherwise i will either do nothing or do the wrong thing.
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Duane Hull wrote 10/09/2013 03:58 PM Re: How to know when a dog knows a command [Re: Natalie Rynda ] #383958 - 10/09/2013 03:58 PM
Duane Hull Webboard User Reg: 09-23-2011 Posts: 2692 Loc: Marrero, LA Offline	I'll stand by this... "The tether creates barrier aggression..." If I'm not mistaken, you've already seen it for yourself. On top of that, you have the added agitation of the flirt pole. You are driving his prey drive through the roof, which is going to make it difficult to desensitize anything. Without realizing it, you are doing one of the beginning exercises in bitework; tying the dog off and building prey drive by teasing with a flirt. This should not be done where you cannot control the environment. ETA: Tethering also renders your escape route useless. Edited by Duane Hull (10/09/2013 03:58 PM) Edit reason: eta Sadie
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Natalie Rynda wrote 10/09/2013 08:47 PM Re: How to know when a dog knows a command [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #383959 - 10/09/2013 08:47 PM
Natalie Rynda Webboard User Reg: 10-01-2013 Posts: 343 Loc: nyc Offline	Quote: Connie Sutherland Almost all of this post it is about desensitizing (and there are volumes written on the board about it); thank you for this, i didn't know this word would bring up all these results, going through them now Mod note: The reactivity topic and everything except the beginner-marker-training protocol has moved to http://leerburg.com/webboard/thread.php?topic_id=33741#383989 Edited by Connie Sutherland (10/09/2013 08:47 PM) Edit reason: mod note about moved topic
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steve strom wrote 10/09/2013 04:00 PM Re: How to know when a dog knows a command [Re: Natalie Rynda ] #383960 - 10/09/2013 04:00 PM
steve strom Webboard User Reg: 03-17-2006 Posts: 4203 Loc: Offline	Wendy's right, but you're seeing it wrong. Does that make sense? You aren't putting him drive the way you think you are. You're correcting too late and its getting a bigger reaction because of that. Its different. There's a whole lot to all this, but for the time being, keep him at a distance where he isn't lunging or barking or even thinking about the other dogs or people. Just do that one thing for right now.
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Natalie Rynda wrote 10/09/2013 04:02 PM Re: How to know when a dog knows a command [Re: Duane Hull ] #383961 - 10/09/2013 04:02 PM
Natalie Rynda Webboard User Reg: 10-01-2013 Posts: 343 Loc: nyc Offline	Quote: Duane Hull I'll stand by this... "The tether creates barrier aggression..." If I'm not mistaken, you've already seen it for yourself. On top of that, you have the added agitation of the flirt pole. You are driving his prey drive through the roof, which is going to make it difficult to desensitize anything. Without realizing it, you are doing one of the beginning exercises in bitework; tying the dog off and building prey drive by teasing with a flirt. This should not be done where you cannot control the environment. lol, i AM realizing this, a variation of this was suggested on the other board to get him interested in the tug. i'm outside for 2 hours every day and i was looking for ways to keep him interested (after the first or second round of playing flirt, tug and fetch he'd stop being interested in them so someone suggested that) ok, i will stop tying him up, i will let him drag the 30 ft line. oi'm sure you ARE right about the barrier aggression (i didn't know that was the name for it) but his behavior was the reason i started tying him up, me tying him up didn't cause the behavior. maybe tying up is not helping anything (except me having control) but the aggression was there before i started tying him up
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/09/2013 04:07 PM Re: How to know when a dog knows a command [Re: Natalie Rynda ] #383963 - 10/09/2013 04:07 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Natalie Rynda  Quote: Connie Sutherland Almost all of this post it is about desensitizing (and there are volumes written on the board about it); thank you for this, i didn't know this word would bring up all these results, going through them now The gist for me is working with the dog, upbeat sessions with HV rewards, outside his trigger range so he can focus on me instead of the trigger and let the trigger become mere background noise (desensitized to it). There are many ways to set this up. Here are a couple of threads to start: http://leerburg.com/webboard/thread.php?topic_id=33278&page=1#375997 http://leerburg.com/webboard/thread.php?topic_id=24037&page=3#249885
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Natalie Rynda wrote 10/09/2013 04:05 PM Re: How to know when a dog knows a command [Re: steve strom ] #383964 - 10/09/2013 04:05 PM
Natalie Rynda Webboard User Reg: 10-01-2013 Posts: 343 Loc: nyc Offline	Quote: steve strom Wendy's right, but you're seeing it wrong. Does that make sense? You aren't putting him drive the way you think you are. You're correcting too late and its getting a bigger reaction because of that. Its different. There's a whole lot to all this, but for the time being, keep him at a distance where he isn't lunging or barking or even thinking about the other dogs or people. Just do that one thing for right now. i can't, i can try but i can't guarantee this happening. first of all, i can't always see a dog approaching in time, second of all, i never know which person or kid he will react to (ever since i've been working with him he hasn't reacted to people or kids). i'm reading up on it now.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/09/2013 04:06 PM Re: How to know when a dog knows a command [Re: steve strom ] #383965 - 10/09/2013 04:06 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	delete (already posted)
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steve strom wrote 10/09/2013 08:47 PM Re: How to know when a dog knows a command [Re: Natalie Rynda ] #383966 - 10/09/2013 08:47 PM
steve strom Webboard User Reg: 03-17-2006 Posts: 4203 Loc: Offline	Quote: Natalie Rynda  Quote: steve strom Wendy's right, but you're seeing it wrong. Does that make sense? You aren't putting him drive the way you think you are. You're correcting too late and its getting a bigger reaction because of that. Its different. There's a whole lot to all this, but for the time being, keep him at a distance where he isn't lunging or barking or even thinking about the other dogs or people. Just do that one thing for right now. i can't, i can try but i can't guarantee this happening. first of all, i can't always see a dog approaching in time, second of all, i never know which person or kid he will react to (ever since i've been working with him he hasn't reacted to people or kids). i'm reading up on it now. Yes you can, you have to. Put the 30' line away and keep him on a sturdy 6' leash. You haven't done anything terrible with him, but you need to teach him some things before every little thing gets out of hand. Mod note: The reactivity topic and everything except the beginner-marker-training protocol has moved to http://leerburg.com/webboard/thread.php?topic_id=33741#383989 Edited by Connie Sutherland (10/09/2013 08:47 PM) Edit reason: mod note about moved topic
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