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And should I be Looking for the C? And is the kelp/alfalfa a necessary thing?
For supplements, I don't give anything but fish oil and E to healthy dogs, in general, but I give produce, including mixed metal-tested sea vegetables. I'd probably re-think the supplements if I didn't.
I use probiotics in the form of live-culture plain yogurt. Again, if I didn't have that to give, I'd re-think the probiotics supplement question.
It's JMO that fish oil and E are THE supplements, needed to fill a hole that modern ag methods have dug with grain-fed slaughter animals.
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Re: time to go raw, but need advice
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Somewhere a long time ago I picked up the Idea to not feed Lamb so that if your dog had problems with other proteins you would have something completely different to feed. I'm not sure if it really matters or not, do you have any thoughts on that Connie?
I don't know if I would choose lamb as the hold-back nowadays. There was a time when lamb was "novel" for most dogs, so it made sense to use it in an elimination diet for food allergies.
That's not the case now, since most dogs have eaten lamb in one dog food or another.
But yes, allergy researchers do recommend holding back novel protein sources for just such a situation as you describe.
It could be fish IF you never fed fish and the dog had never lived with a cat.... but that's iffy.
So it's an individual choice, pretty much based on the dog's history (and whether you even know the dog's history).
I don't know the history of any of mine. So the only protein hold-backs I feel pretty safe with (meaning that I doubt my dogs have eaten them, yet I can still get them) are venison, duck, and buffalo.
Someone else who had never fed rabbit might choose that.
And so on...
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Re: time to go raw, but need advice
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#175490 - 01/15/2008 06:32 PM |
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Connie, he is doing really good today. Normal stools for two days, and he seems to have his pep back today. Not walking around all blah and sleeping all the time. He actually wants to play. We will never know what actually caused his "enteritis" since the only test they did was the x-rays.
Interesting about holding back a protien source. I'll remember that, just in case.
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Re: time to go raw, but need advice
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We will never know what actually caused his "enteritis" since the only test they did was the x-rays.
Turbo had HGE. Sounds like the same thing yours had, but with blood. I thought I knew what caused his 'til it happened again and I knew he had not come in contact with the suspected source. Then he came in contact with the suspected source and nothing happened.
Frustrating, but I've learned to not worry about it and just deal with it *if* it happens.
Glad your pup is coming around.
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Re: time to go raw, but need advice
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#175493 - 01/15/2008 06:45 PM |
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Normal stools for two days, and he seems to have his pep back today. Not walking around all blah and sleeping all the time. He actually wants to play.
Normal as in formed and regular size and not followed by any liquid?
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Re: time to go raw, but need advice
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#175495 - 01/15/2008 06:47 PM |
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Interesting about holding back a protien source. I'll remember that, just in case.
I went too willy nilly feeding everything I could get my hands on.
I'm gonna' have to feed crow or something weird if he ever has to have an elimination diet.
Now that I've thought of it I'm gonna' have to hold myself back from feeding crow.......
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Re: time to go raw, but need advice
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Normal as in formed and regular size and not followed by any liquid?
Formed, small compared to when he ate kibble, but he is getting a pretty digestable diet with a high water content, no liquid or mucus at the end or in the stool.
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Re: time to go raw, but need advice
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shody: Since I am a poop watcher and examiner when my dogs go, what does it mean when there is mucus or liquid at the end of the stool? Asking in case I ever see any.
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shody: Since I am a poop watcher and examiner when my dogs go, what does it mean when there is mucus or liquid at the end of the stool? Asking in case I ever see any.
Thank you
About a year and a half ago, Yuko posted a GREAT list of poop explanations, and I cannot find it......I think there were like 6 or 8 descriptions......I will keep looking......  
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Re: time to go raw, but need advice
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... Formed, small compared to when he ate kibble, but he is getting a pretty digestable diet with a high water content, no liquid or mucus at the end or in the stool.
Then I would start with -- what are you giving? Backs? And I would start with the skin and big fat removed. Also, I would start with small meals (because over-feeding triggers diarrhea often, especially in a dog who has an inflamed bowel from any cause), and I'd watch the poops carefully. (I wouldn't let him go off alone to poop in the yard for a while, so no watery poops could go unnoticed.)
I'd probably be including a little plain pumpkin (not other orange squashes), too.
JMO. Slow and gradual trumps variety and balance when the dog has had the trouble he just had. 
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