Re: One more reason to stay away from dog parks...
[Re: Debbie Bruce ]
#290479 - 08/06/2010 12:50 AM |
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Re: One more reason to stay away from dog parks...
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#290481 - 08/06/2010 12:56 AM |
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Huh.
One dog in the park.
I think even *I* might take my dog in, under those circumstances.
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Re: One more reason to stay away from dog parks...
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#290491 - 08/06/2010 08:24 AM |
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It's become a ritual for me, when I get to work to read over the forum while I have my coffee. Wow, a lot has been said since yesterday.
Perhaps neither side was fabricating. The perspectives just different. Whenever you have a situation like this, people, (including myself), tend to jump to one side or the other...one extreme or the other.
In actuality, Bear Bears guardian should have had better control, the officer probably overreacted. The dogs were just being dogs and dog parks are a bad idea. Although I initially was angry with the officer, (and still think it should have been handled differently), I hate to see him labeled in any way. Poor judement? Sure. It would be interesting to know what happened from a witnesses perspective, but there weren't any.
I don't want someone elses dog running up on mine, or even having rough play, and have gotten an attitude when someone allows their dog to just run up on me...on a leash or not. I also don't want anyone to shoot mine if an out of character behavior is displayed. I'd be heartbroken and angry. But, there's probably a greatly reduced chance of that happening since A. My dog is always leashed, and B. I try my very best to keep him away from dog parks, pet friendly pet stores...ect. I walk with a bat and pepper spray because there are dogs everywhere where I live.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, the whole thing sucks from every side. Sad sad sad. Family pet dead, police officer exposed to a lot of media and critism. I bet both sides would have done things differently if they could.
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Re: One more reason to stay away from dog parks...
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#290493 - 08/06/2010 09:05 AM |
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Perhaps neither side was fabricating. The perspectives just different. Whenever you have a situation like this, people, (including myself), tend to jump to one side or the other...one extreme or the other.
In actuality, Bear Bears guardian should have had better control, the officer probably overreacted. The dogs were just being dogs and dog parks are a bad idea. Although I initially was angry with the officer, (and still think it should have been handled differently), I hate to see him labeled in any way. Poor judement? Sure. It would be interesting to know what happened from a witnesses perspective, but there weren't any.
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My thoughts too!
If only one other dog, the GSD handler could of entered thinking the husky would be leaving, he'd have the fenced area to himself, anything is possible!
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Re: One more reason to stay away from dog parks...
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#290494 - 08/06/2010 09:36 AM |
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I have a brother in law enforcement and I know that he would not enter a public park with his gun, especially not if he had his wife and dog (also a GSD) with him. "Too many things to go wrong," he would say.
He draws a very clear distinction between the guys who leave the violence at work vs. those who don't. This officer seems to belong in the latter camp, which unfortunately gives LEOs a bad rap as trigger-happy, just itching to be put in a situation where they need to use lethal force.
He should have at least fired a shot in the air to scare the dog, but that doesn't look like it was part of his plan.
EDIT - I took my late GSD to a few dog parks and I never had a bad experience. In fact the pets and owners were all quite well-behaved and I never saw any violence of any kind. Maybe it's just my area (although Ft. Belvoir isn't far from me), but my experiences have not mirrored the horror stories on this site and I was very lucky in that regard. I'm going to be much more careful when my Mal arrives.
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Re: One more reason to stay away from dog parks...
[Re: Ross Rapoport ]
#290497 - 08/06/2010 09:44 AM |
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You can't fire into the air. Bullets come back down. Every now and then you'll see a story about someone getting hit by one.
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Re: One more reason to stay away from dog parks...
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#290505 - 08/06/2010 10:00 AM |
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Someone got hit by this one too.
Hell, into the ground probably would have worked.
Intuition tells me that this guy was just looking for trouble, and he found some.
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Re: One more reason to stay away from dog parks...
[Re: Ross Rapoport ]
#290507 - 08/06/2010 10:09 AM |
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I have a brother in law enforcement and I know that he would not enter a public park with his gun, especially not if he had his wife and dog (also a GSD) with him. "Too many things to go wrong," he would say.
He draws a very clear distinction between the guys who leave the violence at work vs. those who don't. This officer seems to belong in the latter camp, which unfortunately gives LEOs a bad rap as trigger-happy, just itching to be put in a situation where they need to use lethal force.
He should have at least fired a shot in the air to scare the dog, but that doesn't look like it was part of his plan.
EDIT - I took my late GSD to a few dog parks and I never had a bad experience. In fact the pets and owners were all quite well-behaved and I never saw any violence of any kind. Maybe it's just my area (although Ft. Belvoir isn't far from me), but my experiences have not mirrored the horror stories on this site and I was very lucky in that regard. I'm going to be much more careful when my Mal arrives.
Huh... Must be the only Cop alive who didn't read Grossman's "Of Sheep, Wolves and Sheepdogs".
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Re: One more reason to stay away from dog parks...
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#290523 - 08/06/2010 11:03 AM |
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So the officer in the park is the sheepdog...and mistook the husky for the wolf, bringing "righteous battle" to his door?
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Re: One more reason to stay away from dog parks...
[Re: Ross Rapoport ]
#290524 - 08/06/2010 11:05 AM |
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Actually, I was referring to this portion of that well-written essay:
For example, many officers carry their weapons in church. They are well concealed in ankle holsters, shoulder holsters or inside-the-belt holsters tucked into the small of their backs. Anytime you go to some form of religious service, there is a very good chance that a police officer in your congregation is carrying. You will never know if there is such an individual in your place of worship, until the wolf appears to massacre you and your loved ones.
I was training a group of police officers in Texas, and during the break, one officer asked his friend if he carried his weapon in church. The other cop replied, "I will never be caught without my gun in church." I asked why he felt so strongly about this, and he told me about a cop he knew who was at a church massacre in Ft. Worth, Texas in 1999. In that incident, a mentally deranged individual came into the church and opened fire, gunning down fourteen people. He said that officer believed he could have saved every life that day if he had been carrying his gun. His own son was shot, and all he could do was throw himself on the boy's body and wait to die. That cop looked me in the eye and said, "Do you have any idea how hard it would be to live with yourself after that?"
Some individuals would be horrified if they knew this police officer was carrying a weapon in church. They might call him paranoid and would probably scorn him. Yet these same individuals would be enraged and would call for "heads to roll" if they found out that the airbags in their cars were defective, or that the fire extinguisher and fire sprinklers in their kids' school did not work. They can accept the fact that fires and traffic accidents can happen and that there must be safeguards against them.
Their only response to the wolf, though, is denial, and all too often their response to the sheepdog is scorn and disdain. But the sheepdog quietly asks himself, "Do you have and idea how hard it would be to live with yourself if your loved ones were attacked and killed, and you had to stand there helplessly because you were unprepared for that day?"
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