Quote: Melissa Thom

What were we arguing about again? Oh yeah, the video.

It seems to be the fallout of this that it seems the Columbia PD is moving up warrants like this so they don't have 8 days to wait to pursue a warrant. That perhaps the dog wasn't in a crate. That the corgi was shot while shooting the pit and that there is an investigation happening. Did I miss anything?

Yep, I love the excuses that the department is giving, that the drugs may have not been there due to the eight day wait.
No mention of the fact that there may just have not been drugs ( other than a small amount for personal use ) there at all. Funny that they don't mention that idea.

Pure spin by a Police department to cover their butts after a shoddy case of Police work - I hope that the homeowner sues their asses off.

 Quote: Will Rambeau

 Quote: Melissa Thom

What were we arguing about again? Oh yeah, the video.

It seems to be the fallout of this that it seems the Columbia PD is moving up warrants like this so they don't have 8 days to wait to pursue a warrant. That perhaps the dog wasn't in a crate. That the corgi was shot while shooting the pit and that there is an investigation happening. Did I miss anything?

Yep, I love the excuses that the department is giving, that the drugs may have not been there due to the eight day wait.
No mention of the fact that there may just have not been drugs ( other than a small amount for personal use ) there at all. Funny that they don't mention that idea.

Pure spin by a Police department to cover their butts after a shoddy case of Police work - I hope that the homeowner sues their asses off.

So... do you have some information on this that I'm not seeing? Is there a listing somewhere of how they got the warrant? How should they be handling this in your professional opinion?

I have a great deal of respect for LEOs, but this video is appalling. I hope that they get sued as they deserve it.

Re: "In this case they waited 8 days and they say that may be the reason the drugs they thought they were going to find were no longer in the house."

There are so many things wrong when you combine that statement with the raid and subsequent findings.

1) If this guy was such a "high-level, dangerous, dealer" that warranted such an aggressive SWAT team raid, one would think that they would have been closely monitoring that house for at least the prior 8 days. If they had, perhaps they would have known about the women and child. If they had and he was a dealer, they would have been able to catch him in the act of dealing and/or nail some additional dealers.

2) If he was a high level dealer, wouldn't there be things like high-precision scales, packaging stuff, etc. found during the raid? What about the usual stash of weaponry that a dangerous, high-level dealer would have given that he was dealing with such large sums of money? That is another point, where is all of the cash that he should have had if he had just liquidated his stock.

None of this adds up. This all points to a guy who pissed someone off who went to the cops with "information".

Question: If you have a fenced property with a couple of PPDs roaming and the police want to issue a warrant, can they just shoot your dogs en route to your front door? At least you would have time to run to the bunker.

Your only hope is superior firepower followed up by a great lawyer.

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1) If this guy was such a "high-level, dangerous, dealer" that warranted such an aggressive SWAT team raid, one would think that they would have been closely monitoring that house for at least the prior 8 days. If they had, perhaps they would have known about the women and child. If they had and he was a dealer, they would have been able to catch him in the act of dealing and/or nail some additional dealers.

2) If he was a high level dealer, wouldn't there be things like high-precision scales, packaging stuff, etc. found during the raid? What about the usual stash of weaponry that a dangerous, high-level dealer would have given that he was dealing with such large sums of money? That is another point, where is all of the cash that he should have had if he had just liquidated his stock.

None of this adds up. This all points to a guy who pissed someone off who went to the cops with "information".

Exactly! They would most likely find more than what they found here in a High School locker!

 Quote: melissa thom

 Quote: will rambeau

 Quote: melissa thom

What were we arguing about again? Oh yeah, the video.

It seems to be the fallout of this that it seems the Columbia PD is moving up warrants like this so they don't have 8 days to wait to pursue a warrant. That perhaps the dog wasn't in a crate. That the corgi was shot while shooting the pit and that there is an investigation happening. Did I miss anything?

Yep, I love the excuses that the department is giving, that the drugs may have not been there due to the eight day wait.
No mention of the fact that there may just have not been drugs ( other than a small amount for personal use ) there at all. Funny that they don't mention that idea.

Pure spin by a Police department to cover their butts after a shoddy case of Police work - I hope that the homeowner sues their asses off.

So... do you have some information on this that I'm not seeing? Is there a listing somewhere of how they got the warrant? How should they be handling this in your professional opinion?

How should the homeowner be handling this ( in my professional opinion )? Like I said, by getting a good attorney and suing them - the family should be able to rack up at least a couple of 100k just in mental anguish alone, and with kids and dogs involved, a home run of *a lot* of money in damages is likely. If something like this goes to jury trial, the department is screwed, plain and simple.

The Police department has already admitted liability when they changed their "policy", they know that they've screwed up and maybe they'll start looking at their "policies" when they get slapped with some hefty jury settlement.
If they're smart, they'll settle out of court.

I can't help but wonder why PDs can't think out of the box a little. While I was attending a NucWeps security school for Nuc weps on board ship we went over how to breach a door or hatch, how to enter the magazine without shooting each other, hand signals etc etc. I suggested instead of storming the space shooting guns in area with high explosives and nuclear material that we turn off the eductors(device for dewatering a space) and flood the magazine with seawater, drowning the terrorists or turning off the ventilation system and activate the Halon system which removes all the oxygen in the space in seconds. In both cases good guys live, bad guys dead, nukes safe.

We have also seen where police set up fake "You Have Won" call centers to have perps just walk right for them instead of all that guns drawn drama. They could of done that, while he was filling in his prize "claim" the LEOs could of searched the home.

 Quote: Dennis Jones

I suggested instead of storming the space shooting guns in area with high explosives and nuclear material that we turn off the eductors(device for dewatering a space) and flood the magazine with seawater, drowning the terrorists or turning off the ventilation system and activate the Halon system which removes all the oxygen in the space in seconds. In both cases good guys live, bad guys dead, nukes safe.

Makes perfect sense... did they look at you like you had two heads?

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 Quote: Dennis Jones

I suggested instead of storming the space shooting guns in area with high explosives and nuclear material that we turn off the eductors(device for dewatering a space) and flood the magazine with seawater, drowning the terrorists or turning off the ventilation system and activate the Halon system which removes all the oxygen in the space in seconds. In both cases good guys live, bad guys dead, nukes safe.

Makes perfect sense... did they look at you like you had two heads?

It became policy

Similar tactics were used during hostage situation in a Moscow theater. 50 terrorists and 120 hostages were dead. It's a good thing to be able to know for sure there are only bad guys in there.

When I attended the security school, we were told and it was SOP, if terrorist hold up in a NucWeps mag with hostages, there are no hostages.