Natalie Rynda wrote 10/09/2013 05:54 PM Re: How to know when a dog knows a command [Re: steve strom ] #383979 - 10/09/2013 05:54 PM
Natalie Rynda Webboard User Reg: 10-01-2013 Posts: 343 Loc: nyc Offline	Quote: steve strom How will he bite??? He has teeth, that's how. What do you think the lunging is about?  Quote: i don't let him get close to the other dog. or the people. I thought you said you couldn't do that? no, what i said was that i couldn't always spot the other dog before he does and couldn't avoid the barking. as ME says, any episode like this reinforces the barking and sets us back. i always was able to keep him far enough away though. that's why i posted this  Quote: i think we are misunderstanding each other. i'm saying that sometimes i don't see the other dog before he does and he goes into the barking and lunging mode. i still make the uturn and walk away, they never come close to each other. all i'm saying is that i didn't catch it in time for him to not bark and reinforced his behavior.
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steve strom wrote 10/09/2013 05:58 PM Re: How to know when a dog knows a command [Re: Natalie Rynda ] #383980 - 10/09/2013 05:58 PM
steve strom Webboard User Reg: 03-17-2006 Posts: 4203 Loc: Offline	See, you're already using distance. My problem with him being "too excited to get to the dog" is that there's no way of knowing whats going to happen when he gets there. I think he needs to learn to behave at a distance, then that distance can shrink so that he can still behave.
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Jodi Moen wrote 10/09/2013 06:02 PM Re: How to know when a dog knows a command [Re: Natalie Rynda ] #383981 - 10/09/2013 06:02 PM
Jodi Moen Webboard User Reg: 12-28-2010 Posts: 799 Loc: USA Offline	Connie, Duane, Steve, Bob, just to clarify for me. Because she is in the early stages of marker training with this dog, and asking about corrections when the dog doesn't do the command with yes being the dog doing the request, would it be reasonable to consider the nope as the correction when they don't do it? My animals are not "like" family, they ARE family.
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Jodi Moen wrote 10/09/2013 06:02 PM Re: How to know when a dog knows a command [Re: Natalie Rynda ] #383982 - 10/09/2013 06:02 PM
Jodi Moen Webboard User Reg: 12-28-2010 Posts: 799 Loc: USA Offline	Connie, Duane, Steve, Bob, just to clarify for me. Because she is in the early stages of marker training with this dog, and asking about corrections when the dog doesn't do the command with yes being the dog doing the request, would it be reasonable to consider the nope as the correction when they don't do it? My animals are not "like" family, they ARE family.
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Natalie Rynda wrote 10/09/2013 08:50 PM Re: How to know when a dog knows a command [Re: steve strom ] #383983 - 10/09/2013 08:50 PM
Natalie Rynda Webboard User Reg: 10-01-2013 Posts: 343 Loc: nyc Offline	Quote: steve strom See, you're already using distance. My problem with him being "too excited to get to the dog" is that there's no way of knowing whats going to happen when he gets there. I think he needs to learn to behave at a distance, then that distance can shrink so that he can still behave. oh, i have a problem with it as well, that's why i went to the trainer. i want him to ignore everyone and all dogs. and i agree, i don't know what he will do. so far that's what he's done but if you ask me, he doesn't look all too friendly when he does it. so either way, i'm trying to deal with it. i misunderstood you, i thought you meant that i should make sure he never sees another dog close enough to make him go off and bark. sorry)))) Mod note: The reactivity topic and everything except the beginner-marker-training protocol has moved to http://leerburg.com/webboard/thread.php?topic_id=33741#383989 Edited by Connie Sutherland (10/09/2013 08:50 PM) Edit reason: mod note about moved topic
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Jodi Moen wrote 10/09/2013 06:02 PM Re: How to know when a dog knows a command [Re: Natalie Rynda ] #383984 - 10/09/2013 06:02 PM
Jodi Moen Webboard User Reg: 12-28-2010 Posts: 799 Loc: USA Offline	Connie, Duane, Steve, Bob, just to clarify for me. Because she is in the early stages of marker training with this dog, and asking about corrections when the dog doesn't do the command with yes being the dog doing the request, would it be reasonable to consider the nope as the correction when they don't do it? My animals are not "like" family, they ARE family.
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steve strom wrote 10/09/2013 06:07 PM Re: How to know when a dog knows a command [Re: Jodi Moen ] #383985 - 10/09/2013 06:07 PM
steve strom Webboard User Reg: 03-17-2006 Posts: 4203 Loc: Offline	Quote: Jodi Moen Connie, Duane, Steve, Bob, just to clarify for me. Because she is in the early stages of marker training with this dog, and asking about corrections when the dog doesn't do the command with yes being the dog doing the request, would it be reasonable to consider the nope as the correction when they don't do it? I think this is all a little blurred between formal obedience and basic behavior-obedience. Her dog is mis-behaving. If nope changes that, ok. Some things need to be stopped and if it takes a good correction as part of stopping it, I'm popping them.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/09/2013 06:27 PM Re: How to know when a dog knows a command [Re: Natalie Rynda ] #383986 - 10/09/2013 06:27 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Yes, the thread's topic has become pretty blurred now. Jodi, while marker-training a command, "nope" is a good negative marker, used in the teaching phase. It's not a correction, though. It's the opposite of the marker (the click or "yes" ... also known as the TB). "Nope" means "not right, try it again!" In fact, again talking about the teaching phase of marker-training a command, there are no corrections. The dog doesn't know the command yet, so there's no reason to correct. "Nope" is more of a hint ... like the old game of "warm, warm, very warm!" with "nope" meaning "Oops ... you got cold! Try again!"
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steve strom wrote 10/09/2013 06:30 PM Re: How to know when a dog knows a command [Re: Natalie Rynda ] #383987 - 10/09/2013 06:30 PM
steve strom Webboard User Reg: 03-17-2006 Posts: 4203 Loc: Offline	Quote: Natalie Rynda  Quote: steve strom Hey Natalie, what kind of dog is this? How is he with your family? Your kids? Does he want to chase them or does he startle when they run around? german shepherd. it's only me and my 18 year old daughter. hes very good with both of us, at home we have no problems except the cats. he's very attached to me, goes into this hysteria, crying and jumping around all over the place and on me when i come in even if i left for a minute. probably some separation anxiety there because this is not healthy behavior in my opinion. i'm trying to work on it, ignore him when i leave and when i come home. i really don't have problems with him at home. or maybe i do and i just don't realize that they're problems Two adults is good. I think there's a pretty good chance all this stuff is just a matter of you not teaching him clearly what you want from him. You may be looking for answers in ways that are more applicable to formal ob, when you need to teach him things like off, quiet, a place command, leave it, don't pull. Manners. Do you see what I mean?
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Natalie Rynda wrote 10/09/2013 08:51 PM Re: How to know when a dog knows a command [Re: steve strom ] #383988 - 10/09/2013 08:51 PM
Natalie Rynda Webboard User Reg: 10-01-2013 Posts: 343 Loc: nyc Offline	Quote: steve strom  Quote: Natalie Rynda  Quote: steve strom Hey Natalie, what kind of dog is this? How is he with your family? Your kids? Does he want to chase them or does he startle when they run around? german shepherd. it's only me and my 18 year old daughter. hes very good with both of us, at home we have no problems except the cats. he's very attached to me, goes into this hysteria, crying and jumping around all over the place and on me when i come in even if i left for a minute. probably some separation anxiety there because this is not healthy behavior in my opinion. i'm trying to work on it, ignore him when i leave and when i come home. i really don't have problems with him at home. or maybe i do and i just don't realize that they're problems Two adults is good. I think there's a pretty good chance all this stuff is just a matter of you not teaching him clearly what you want from him. You may be looking for answers in ways that are more applicable to formal ob, when you need to teach him things like off, quiet, a place command, leave it, don't pull. Manners. Do you see what I mean? I do and you're right. He does go on my bed sometimes and I have to push him off (I know it's a bad idea, I should be able to command him to). This is my fault, the first 4 months he slept on my bed with my permission and now I'm trying to train him out of it. And yes, he needs to not pull, not to attack the cats, leave it, come. I don't want to overwhelm him either, these are all important commands, but so is SIT. That's why I'm stressed out that I'm so far behind. He's already big, powerful and with bad habits (my fault). Mod note: The reactivity topic and everything except the beginner-marker-training protocol has moved to http://leerburg.com/webboard/thread.php?topic_id=33741#383989 Edited by Connie Sutherland (10/09/2013 08:51 PM) Edit reason: mod note about moved topic
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