 Re: The Pit Bull Conundrum
[Re: Jenni Williams ]
#154503 - 09/06/2007 02:50 PM |
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If anything were to happen(biting, etc.)as I raise the pup, I already know I will have it euth'd. Biting(exeption in SchH or PPD training or protecting me and my family) is something I do not tolerate.
You need to set boundaries. Lots of dogs/pups will bite if they think they can get away with it. They key is to be aware of a dog's genetic potential and react accordingly. If a dog isn't good w/kids, then keep it away from kids, etc. etc. Planning ahead to euth. isn't really the best plan. Sorry if I misinterpreted what you meant. If so, please correct me.
When I stated that I would euth'd a dog for biting I guess I should have been clearer. If the dog were to attack someone or something for no reason I can find, then I would have the dog euth'd.
I'm not a country bumpkin that doesn't know how to raise and handle dogs-sorry if this comes off a little rough, but it's the truth.
I own a GSD that is by far one of the smartest dogs I've ever owned. My fiance and I set boundaries for her and our lab. They are a couple of the best behaved dogs that I've seen in my area-not trying to toot my own horn.
I know how to socialize a dog and I have a good handle on training one.
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Re: The Pit Bull Conundrum
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#154505 - 09/06/2007 03:05 PM |
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Keleah, the absolute last and final solution is to euthanize an animal. That means, you have gone through many, many different attempts and trainers and help and time spent trying to save the dog. That's why I like Cesar Millan so much. He say's there is a tiny percentage of dogs that cannot be rehab'ed. Only 2 of ALL the dogs has met. That's a lot of dogs.
If my dog bit someone, the first thing I'd look at is how did *I* allow this? If my dog doesn't like kids and kids come over, make sure they are separated, if it doesn't like small dogs, make sure I keep it away from small dogs, cats, horses, men with hats...etc. Get it? Euthanasia should be the absolute last thing to do. If it was such a great solution, it would be easily available for humans.
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Re: The Pit Bull Conundrum
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#154507 - 09/06/2007 03:16 PM |
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Jenni, So how is the horse?
Were you able to give the dog an out and have it obey?
I always find it puzzling when owners buy into a breed that was from the very beginning hard wired to go off the edge, and then express surprise when THEIR dog jumps into the abyss.
It can happen with any dog, any size, any breed, but all things being equal, which dog breeds would you bet on from number one risk to number ten as being the most likely to run to the edge, jump, and never return?
If the dog isn't learning, I'm doing something wrong.
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Re: The Pit Bull Conundrum
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#154508 - 09/06/2007 03:22 PM |
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Jenni, So how is the horse?
Were you able to give the dog an out and have it obey?
I always find it puzzling when owners buy into a breed that was from the very beginning hard wired to go off the edge, and then express surprise when THEIR dog jumps into the abyss.
It can happen with any dog, any size, any breed, but all things being equal, which dog breeds would you bet on from number one risk to number ten as being the most likely to run to the edge, jump, and never return? Randy
Randy, what are you talking about??? You've lost me.
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Re: The Pit Bull Conundrum
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#154510 - 09/06/2007 03:27 PM |
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Please correct me if I'm wrong Jenni, didn't you say your pit tried to take a horse down by the nose?
Randy
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#154511 - 09/06/2007 03:33 PM |
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Yeah, but the rest of it...I don't see your point.
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Re: The Pit Bull Conundrum
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#154512 - 09/06/2007 03:40 PM |
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I think he was asking how you got the dog off of the horse.
Was the horse okay?
Did the dog respond to you telling him to OUT?
Were you suprised that the dog did this?
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Re: The Pit Bull Conundrum
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#154514 - 09/06/2007 03:48 PM |
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Sorry Jenni,
Really only the first couple of lines were asked to you directly. I didn't mean for it to be personal or for you to take it as so.
What I was trying to say, is much the same as many others have mentioned in this thread. Nature is more powerful than nurture in some circumtances.
Hope the horse is okay.
Randy
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Re: The Pit Bull Conundrum
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#154517 - 09/06/2007 03:55 PM |
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The horse is fine. I had her on a leash, of course, seeing as she's a predator and a horse is a prey animal...
She released on command and collar correction, and looked perplexed that I didn't want her do such a thing, because nature was telling her that's exactly what she should be doing.
Randy, my issue was with your post seemingly taking the attitude that I was somehow surprised or unprepared for this behavior, which I was not. It did give me a better hint as to her genetics, though. However, your last statement about certain breeds being risky at different levels, or certain breeds having more/less of a predisposition didn't sit well with me. I think that's dangerous thinking.
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Re: The Pit Bull Conundrum
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#154520 - 09/06/2007 04:20 PM |
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Any of you can say what you want regards all breeds of Dogs, there are good ones bought up correctly and some bought up badly,
but most of all the cause lies with the people who breed Dogs for Money or for sport or showing, It is the humans who have bought or bred into Dogs the traits they now have just because they think they look better, You have Dogs which can hardly see, you have Dogs who have skeletal problem, and you have breeds of Dogs who can hardly breath and who is the culprit, The So called Breeders of this world, they are the cause of most problems bought into Dogs in this day and age, and why, For Profit, It is us humans thinking that we know what is best give us long enough to keep messing with nature and we will not be around to know
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