Andy
I completly disagree with you on the Close Breeding Bit
If you breed too close on any species, you will get deformaties and it will also affect the way the Animal or bird thinks, not in all cases but one is enough eventually by breeding too close. We know it is Condemed in human circles so why should it be different to animals.
Brother to sister, Mother Son . Daughter Father is inbreeding as we all know. but you can have a Dog who is Line Bred and many are this being a common ansester, which is pretty close even then the beginning product has to be a very special animal to start with, but it is not so close as inbred,

Andy,

The play on the last few exchanges was to implicate the dogmen as the genetic mutants. If that makes a difference...which is probably doesn't.

It was joke, of course. I understand the true history...back when pitbulls herded sheep all day, protected the house at night, and proved their gameness on weekends. Then the breed equivalent of unfounded racial discrimination occurred, and they never got their chance to prove themselves as capable service dogs in every discipline. Then the persecuted dogmen went underground to rue their banishment and wait for the second coming. Isn't that the point of your last 101 posts? Because if not, I'm not sure what is.

A true American tragedy.

BSL is a joke, yes. But that puts the impetus of common sense back in our collective hands.

But really, who knew thugs and gangster would be attracted to a stocky muscular dog who likes to fight?

The dogmen of yore (the ones featured in medieval paintings with halos) must be appalled that another culture is using their dogs for fighting now. Every father's worst nightmare.

Steven,

Well, that's the beauty of these discussions; we're free to voice our own opinions. It just doesn't make yours any more right than mine!

The thing remember here is illustrated with your own statement about breeding too close. Of course, tight breeding can be misused or done completely wrong. However, as I eluded to with my comments on scatter breeding, you can arrive at the same destructive result without ever needing to keep a line tight. As well, I'm sure, there can be similar mistakes made with linebreeding too; that's why breeding should not be undertaken by amateurs or those who like to do things half-assed. You can ruin things in a hurry.




Andy.

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Andy,

The play on the last few exchanges was to implicate the dogmen as the genetic mutants. If that makes a difference...which is probably doesn't.

It was joke, of course. I understand the true history...back when pitbulls herded sheep all day, protected the house at night, and proved their gameness on weekends. Then the breed equivalent of unfounded racial discrimination occurred, and they never got their chance to prove themselves as capable service dogs in every discipline. Then the persecuted dogmen went underground to rue their banishment and wait for the second coming. Isn't that the point of your last 101 posts? Because if not, I'm not sure what is.

A true American tragedy.

BSL is a joke, yes. But that puts the impetus of common sense back in our collective hands.

But really, who knew thugs and gangster would be attracted to a stocky muscular dog who likes to fight?

The dogmen of yore (the ones featured in medieval paintings with halos) must be appalled that another culture is using their dogs for fighting now. Every father's worst nightmare.

Steven,

Had you not felt the need to respond with veiled attacks and jokes about my post count, I may have decided to continue this exchange in a mature, intelligent manner. However, as it stands now, I tip my hat to you, sir! You win.




Andy.

Steve, Andy is just trying to annoy me. He enjoys it immensely. But, I'm at work, so I'll bite .

Andrew, dearheart, you know quite well what I meant, and that I am fully capable of understanding the difference between inbreeding, linebreeding, dogmen, and gangsta scum. Further, you know darn well that I was not referring to any organized, planned inbreedings in hopes of magnifying/isolating a desired trait. I specifically stated that I was referring to folks who would envy the IQ of an amoeba, throwing any old brother/sister combo together if they're aggressive enough...ie, unstable temperamentally, and then doing it again, and again...

Do not try to tell me that several generations of this kind of inbreeding do not have an effect on the mental stability of the dogs produced, especially when the ones they started out with were screwed up to begin with.

My whole point is that half of the Pit Bulls in trouble these days didn't have a prayer of turning out normal.

Okay, Jenni. Guilty as charged!





Andy.

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It just doesn't make yours any more right than mine!

Au contraire.

Just because I love to toot my own horn, yo, I think it has been scientifically proven that training your dog will also make the dog a homosexual.

Yup, Redhead has been taking an undue interest in interior decorating lately. He also makes snide little barks at people and dogs with no fashion sense. He also humps anything made of what my wife says is "brocade".

Personally, I am starting to think its kind of hot.

Must let Redhead run wild in order to nip this in the bud.

@Keleah: not to distract you from this site, but check out http://www.pitbullforum.com as well. Lots of good information on APBTs. Apologies if that is not allowed here.

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The double irony is that the "tough guys" for the most part don't know a genuinely aggressive dog from a fear biter. Of course, training is strictly for homosexuals.

Hahaha. I couldn't stop laughing when I read this. Absolutely.

A "mean dog" is cool. Why would you TRAIN one? That's for sissies. You just want to make him as mean as possible.

Blah. Euthanize Tough Guys, I say.

And Jenni, you know I agree with you on Genetics.