Natalie Rynda wrote 10/10/2013 12:41 PM Re: How to know when a dog knows a command [Re: Natalie Rynda ] #384034 - 10/10/2013 12:41 PM
Natalie Rynda Webboard User Reg: 10-01-2013 Posts: 343 Loc: nyc Offline	Sorry, I just saw your first question. Nope, during the session he wasn't doing anything except staring at me happily and following me. He does those things when I'm boringly giving him commands and freeze in the middle. I'm sure he's either bored out of his mind or stressed that I'm not asking for anything. However, what if he sniffs while we are not training, like while I'm trying to play?
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Natalie Rynda wrote 10/10/2013 12:47 PM Re: How to know when a dog knows a command [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #384035 - 10/10/2013 12:47 PM
Natalie Rynda Webboard User Reg: 10-01-2013 Posts: 343 Loc: nyc Offline	Quote: Connie Sutherland  Quote: Natalie Rynda .... I'm having a problem keeping him engaged for 2 hours You can't! IMO, 2 hours of focus is not even a good goal! Can't the two hours be in smaller chunks? And don't forget the opportunities to use the much less distracting indoors for short little sessions ... even two minutes .... throughout the day. I will, I will make it a routine to train before work and after work before we go out. Nope, I can't break it up. I can only take him out to the park after work (around 10pm) and then I stay there until I can't take it anymore, 2-3 hours. I want him to be outside as much as I can. We have an apartment, not much space for him. And considering that he wars with the cats he doesn't even have all rooms, just my bedroom with almost no walking space.
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Kristin Muntz wrote 10/10/2013 12:53 PM Re: How to know when a dog knows a command [Re: Natalie Rynda ] #384036 - 10/10/2013 12:53 PM
Kristin Muntz Webboard User Reg: 05-09-2012 Posts: 746 Loc: Offline	You don't have to leave the park to stop training, let him have 'off' time and sniff around on lead, goof off etc. Can easily fit in 3 training sessions in 2 hours.
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Natalie Rynda wrote 10/10/2013 12:56 PM Re: How to know when a dog knows a command [Re: Kristin Muntz ] #384037 - 10/10/2013 12:56 PM
Natalie Rynda Webboard User Reg: 10-01-2013 Posts: 343 Loc: nyc Offline	Quote: Kristin Muntz You don't have to leave the park to stop training, let him have 'off' time and sniff around on lead, goof off etc. Can easily fit in 3 training sessions in 2 hours. Oh yeah, that's what we are doing. But I was hoping to somehow have him want to play with me only in between as well. I have a tug, flirt pole, ball on the string. Will make more toys once I get ideas. For example, ME's dog will focus on him for 5 hours it seems like. So it's doable. I'm not asking for training focus, I'm trying to make myself more fun than anything around. So you're saying that it's OK that he sniffs and stuff in between? I'm aiming towards being more interesting than the environment. Always. Impossible?
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Duane Hull wrote 10/10/2013 01:06 PM Re: How to know when a dog knows a command [Re: Natalie Rynda ] #384038 - 10/10/2013 01:06 PM
Duane Hull Webboard User Reg: 09-23-2011 Posts: 2692 Loc: Marrero, LA Offline	You can have both. If your dog enjoys training with you, he will engage with you whan you say "ready". He does need to check out his world, though, and two hours of straight focus is asking a lot. One way that I increase engagement, especially if we're going to club training or a trial, is to get there early enough to let my dog sniff out the environment. Once she is satisfied that everything meets with her approval, it is much easier to get her engaged and focused. A release during training to go run and smell is like a reward to her, and I use releases instead of treats at times. Sadie
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/10/2013 01:31 PM Re: How to know when a dog knows a command [Re: Duane Hull ] #384039 - 10/10/2013 01:31 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	"For example, ME's dog will focus on him for 5 hours it seems like. So it's doable. I'm not asking for training focus, I'm trying to make myself more fun than anything around. So you're saying that it's OK that he sniffs and stuff in between? I'm aiming towards being more interesting than the environment. Always. Impossible?" Remember to work with the dog in front of you and with yourself. Not with Michael's dogs, being trained by Michael. Yes, it's OK that he sniffs and stuff in between, and no, "I'm aiming towards being more interesting than the environment. Always," is really not realistic or useful.
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Tracy Collins wrote 10/10/2013 01:28 PM Re: How to know when a dog knows a command [Re: Natalie Rynda ] #384040 - 10/10/2013 01:28 PM
Tracy Collins Webboard User Reg: 10-09-2008 Posts: 1917 Loc: St. Louis, Missouri Offline	A technique I learned a long time ago: when you're working with your dog (especially a puppy or a young dog), if you don't look and sound like a complete fool, you're probably doing it wrong. Don't be afraid to really act excited about everything. Effusive praise, high-pitched baby talk, silly clapping--whatever it takes. Dogs do tend to mirror the level (and kind) of energy you're giving out. If you pretend whatever you're doing is THE MOST FUN in the history of the world...and that he is THE VERY BEST DOG EVER at doing it, even the most laid-back character can be hyped up to keep engaging with you and the game at hand. Cinco | Jack | Fanny | Ellie | Chip | Deacon
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Natalie Rynda wrote 10/10/2013 01:38 PM Re: How to know when a dog knows a command [Re: Duane Hull ] #384041 - 10/10/2013 01:38 PM
Natalie Rynda Webboard User Reg: 10-01-2013 Posts: 343 Loc: nyc Offline	Quote: Duane Hull You can have both. If your dog enjoys training with you, he will engage with you whan you say "ready". He does need to check out his world, though, and two hours of straight focus is asking a lot. One way that I increase engagement, especially if we're going to club training or a trial, is to get there early enough to let my dog sniff out the environment. Once she is satisfied that everything meets with her approval, it is much easier to get her engaged and focused. A release during training to go run and smell is like a reward to her, and I use releases instead of treats at times. Got you. I guess I misinterpreted something else I read))))) I almost get upset everytime I can't keep his attention. I was under the impression that people with nicely trained dogs have dogs that care only about their owner and playing with him and don't care about dogs or smells.
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Natalie Rynda wrote 10/10/2013 01:42 PM Re: How to know when a dog knows a command [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #384042 - 10/10/2013 01:42 PM
Natalie Rynda Webboard User Reg: 10-01-2013 Posts: 343 Loc: nyc Offline	Quote: Connie Sutherland "For example, ME's dog will focus on him for 5 hours it seems like. So it's doable. I'm not asking for training focus, I'm trying to make myself more fun than anything around. So you're saying that it's OK that he sniffs and stuff in between? I'm aiming towards being more interesting than the environment. Always. Impossible?" Remember to work with the dog in front of you and with yourself. Not with Michael's dogs, being trained by Michael. Yes, it's OK that he sniffs and stuff in between, and no, "I'm aiming towards being more interesting than the environment. Always," is really not realistic or useful. Lol I'm in no way saying that I'm at his level, I'm probably where he was when he was 12. But I like challenging myself, and this was a goal I was working towards. I now see that I misunderstood something. So you let your dog check out and go sniff and play with other dogs? I don't like letting him play with other dogs because I'm always uncomfortable with something the other dog is doing and the owners don't feel that way. I already got into arguments with 3 people at the park (it's not a dog park but there are a few dogs there at night)
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Tracy Collins wrote 10/10/2013 01:59 PM Re: How to know when a dog knows a command [Re: Natalie Rynda ] #384043 - 10/10/2013 01:59 PM
Tracy Collins Webboard User Reg: 10-09-2008 Posts: 1917 Loc: St. Louis, Missouri Offline	I don't think many people would agree with letting him play with strange dogs. But periodic "breaks" between game sessions for self-directed amusement (sniffing, peeing, squirrel-pestering) would be okay in my book. And it gives you an opportunity to re-gain his attention, which is, in itself, a thing to be trained (getting attention.) Cinco | Jack | Fanny | Ellie | Chip | Deacon
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